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| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes  Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 193 of 231 14 September 2009 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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14/09/09
FRENCH: 1hr 15min *Writing&Grammar Grammaire Progressive du Francais: Niveau Intermediare - p23-25 *Listening&Speaking SCOLA: LR + Shadowing - 20040621 (2m50) L1=English L2=French 1) Read paragraph in L1; 2) Listen to the paragraph in L2 while reading it in L2; 3) Find any L2 words or phrases that I don't understand, and use the parallel text to translate to L1. Get a feel for the meaning of the paragraph as a whole in its L2 form. 4) Shadow paragraph in L2, while reading it in L2; 5) Listen only to the L2 audio, and understand it. *Reading&Vocab Read newspapers; at least front pages of: -Le Monde -Liberation -Le Figaro -Le Nouvel Observateur TAGALOG: 45m Comic Book: "Doraemon (Tagalog Version) Vol. 8" p100-143 Read newspapers; at least front pages of: -Radyo Internasyonal ng Tsina -Philippine Star Ngayon -Journal Online -Abante Online -Abante Tonite ARABIC: 30m Alif Baa with DVDs: Unit 7 p106 Edited by m.alberto1 on 14 September 2009 at 5:54pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 194 of 231 14 September 2009 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
No, I haven't listended to it, and I haven't bought it either. It's true that I had it on my plan before. I think I took it off, because I realised that my level of tagalog is pretty high already, and when I thought about it, Cornell's cassettes would probably repeat the same material that I already know. So I didn't want to be bored, plus waste my money on it, plus make a huge risk as there aren't really any reviews on it. I concluded that I was better off using actual Tagalog native materials, such as books and movies - rather relearn from an English textbook what I already know. How about you? What resources would you recommend for Tagalog? My understanding of tagalog is top-rate. Although my speaking is really where I need work. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| artistscientist Diglot Groupie United States artistscientist.blog Joined 5758 days ago 49 posts - 49 votes Speaks: English*, Tagalog Studies: Spanish | Message 195 of 231 14 September 2009 at 5:55pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I actually had some communication with the author of the course who is now a retired professor from Cornell. It sounds like a great course, but I have never had a chance to hear to audio. All of the other courses and books (grammar, etc) I have seen only go through to late beginner/intermediate level. I have not seen anything that was thorough. I have posted several times about the James Leo English dictionaries which are unbeatable. John Wolff, the author of the Cornell course, told me in our emails that he actually knows James Leo English. It looks like you are already using almost every resource out there. Of course if you want to be able to speak better you need to produce speech or write. For myself, I have been looking for audio/written material to shadow and study. I am working on correcting two years of incorrect pronouciation (mag-a-nda, instead of magand-a-, etc). It has been very difficult to find material like this. I have recently found a good version of the Tagalog bible in audio and written as well. Ang Biblia version of the bible, read aloud by Tagalog speaker with text in video. http://angbiblia.blip.tv/ Unfortunately it is only the New Testament (no old testament), but still very useful for proper pronounciation. Those are my two gems (or three if you count the set of dictionaries as two). You probably have many more resources you could tell me about. I do not have a lot of native material. I would love Noli me Tangere in audio book, but cannot find it anywhere. I have it in paperback, but I am afraid I will ingrain bad pronouciation if I read it without correcting my speech first. Let me know what you recommend. Thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 196 of 231 15 September 2009 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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15/09/09
FRENCH: 45min *Writing&Grammar Grammaire Progressive du Francais: Niveau Intermediare - p26- 28 *Reading&Vocab Read newspapers; at least front pages of: -Le Monde -Liberation -Le Figaro -Le Nouvel Observateur TAGALOG: 45m Comic Book: "Doraemon (Tagalog Version) Vol. 8" p144-172 Read newspapers; at least front pages of: -Radyo Internasyonal ng Tsina -Philippine Star Ngayon -Journal Online -Abante Online -Abante Tonite ARABIC: 30m Alif Baa with DVDs: Unit 7 p107 Edited by m.alberto1 on 15 September 2009 at 5:31pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 197 of 231 15 September 2009 at 4:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's Fantastic that you communicated with John Wolff. That's impressive. A major reason that I didn't want to pursue those cassettes was because there were no reviews of it that I could find. From your understanding, up to what difficulty do those Cornell tapes go up to? High Advanced level? Also, I checked up on the blip.tv resource of Ang Biblia, and I was also impressed as I hadn't seen that before. I may use it in the future. Thank you. For recommendations of tagalog resources, you can have a look at my Page 1 of this journal as I compiled most of the tagalog resources I have used and plan to use. Currently, I'm also reading Online Tagalog newspapers daily which is interesting and helpful. Just search the titles (which I write in this log book) and you can find them in google. Also, if you can get access to SCOLA, they also have a massive amount of tagalog resources whereby you can get snippets of tv news, that comes with tagalog transcripts with English translation - as well as new vocabulary lists. The native materials which I have with me now (books and movies) are those which I bought in the Philippines when I visited early this year. I really want to get more advanced Filipino language textbooks (which high school or college students use in the Philippines) so that it can improve my writing and speaking to a more educated and formal level. But, I think I have to go back to the Philippines - and visit more specialised stores (such as university book stores) in order to get my hands on those kinds, as I cannot find purely tagalog textbooks (with reviews or previews) on the internet. Masayang-masaya ako na interesado ka rin magaral ng tagalog. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| artistscientist Diglot Groupie United States artistscientist.blog Joined 5758 days ago 49 posts - 49 votes Speaks: English*, Tagalog Studies: Spanish | Message 198 of 231 15 September 2009 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Nothing to be impressed about. I just looked up his email at the Cornell website and
he was nice enough to reply. He is a very down to earth guy. He is married to a Filipina as well. The interesting thing is that the Librarian in charge of the South East Asian collection here at Umichigan knows both of them well. When I was looking for the cassettes to go with the course she spoke with me about them and how his wife is Visayan. Small world. As far as the course. In his first of the four books John Wolff says it would take a minimum of 1200-1400 hours to cover the material in the books and cassettes. He also says that it would take at least 6 semesters of full time language study (20-30 hours per week including self study and class time). The materials were specifically designed for complete self study, but he recommends taking a class or having a tutor to help correct you as needed. Honestly I am not sure how far it takes you. There are 25 units in all. At one point he says, "It is only at the end of unit 21 or 22 that the students reach a point that enables them to go beyond basic Pilipino and one can begin to be truly creative and still not do violence the the genius of the language. It looks extremely thorough. Clearly it goes way beyond any course that I have ever seen, and way beyond my knowledge of Tagalog. The dialogs are based of conversations he recorded with locals as he was gathering material for the course. I am optimistic that this may be the single best source for Tagalog study, but I really have no way of knowing until I use the material (waiting on the tapes from the library). I have found that Tagalog sources are indeed hard to come by here in the US as well. The internet is still not as widespread in the Philippines as it is here in the states. I have been looking unsuccessfully for the Vicassan's Pilipino-English Dictionary by Vito C Santos. It is about 2700 pages. It does not have the example sentences that the James Leo English (aka Father English) Dictionary has, but it has almost every infinitive form of every Tagalog verb. The last publication date was 1995. It is currently being printed as an abridged edition with about 650 pages (clearly useless like most Tagalog dictionaries). If you come across it please buy it for me (or for yourself). I will pay you a handlers fee on top of what you paid plus shipping. I can only find it at University Libraries who would obviously be unwilling to sell it. Masaya din akong may kausap na ako Tungkol sa wikang Tagalog. Feel free to correct my grammar if it is incorrect. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 199 of 231 17 September 2009 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Wow ang galing mo talaga.
maraming salamat sa mga impormasyon. Siguro, kung may pera ako, susubukan ko ang mga materyales na iyan mula kay Wolff. Mabuti may library sa inyo na mayroon tapes ni Wolff (kasi sobrang mahal - $800+, lalo na para sa akin dahil may mga handling at shipping costs pa. Hindi ako naka-tira sa US, eh). Hahanapin ko sa mga libraries sa Australia kung mayroon din, pero nasa Bangladesh ako ngayon para sa trabaho ko. Sige - kung nakita ko ang diksyonaryong iyan, bibilhan kita. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| m.alberto1 Diglot Senior Member Australia youtube.com/user/lan Joined 5763 days ago 218 posts - 221 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 200 of 231 17 September 2009 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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17/09/09
FRENCH: 15min *Reading&Vocab Read newspapers; at least front pages of: -Le Monde -Liberation -Le Figaro -Le Nouvel Observateur TAGALOG: 45m Comic Book: "Doraemon (Tagalog Version) Vol. 8" p173-190 - COMPLETE!!! Comic Book: "Doraemon (Tagalog Version) Vol. 9" p1-15 - the final in the series now =) Read newspapers; at least front pages of: -Radyo Internasyonal ng Tsina -Philippine Star Ngayon -Journal Online -Abante Online -Abante Tonite ARABIC: 30m Alif Baa with DVDs: Unit 7 p108 Edited by m.alberto1 on 18 September 2009 at 9:15am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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