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| GoingGoingGone Newbie United States Joined 5660 days ago 28 posts - 39 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French, Swedish, Mandarin | Message 65 of 73 17 September 2009 at 6:20pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
This is so true. When I started working on French again this year as an adult I thought I had completely forgotten the French I learned in school over 20 years ago. I couldn't think of more than a couple words. But once I started lessons again I realized I remembered a great deal. I had the "Oh yeah!" reaction to a lot of the stuff I learned. And I even started remembering words that were not included in my new lessons. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5858 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish | Message 66 of 73 18 September 2009 at 3:06am | IP Logged | ||||||||
That BBC article was in May 2009. Here is a major update on 11 Sep 09. It specifically addresses "time-space synaesthesia", or as the headline says "Can you see time?". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8248589.stm Can some of our Forum members who can, among other things, see colours for words also see time? If so, it probably doesn't help language learning, except possibly helping to maintain a schedule or a study plan. Not really related, but I had a new experience in a dream last night. There were a large number of very tasty foods available at a big feast. And for the first time ever in a dream, I clearly could smell all the wonderful food. I have had a couple of recent dreams that included my target language. I'm really hoping that will increase. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| TheBiscuit Tetraglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 5915 days ago 532 posts - 619 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Italian Studies: German, Croatian | Message 67 of 73 18 September 2009 at 4:28am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Fascinating article, thanks for posting it. I have my own 'personal alphabet' but I can't see time in the way described. In fact I have trouble remembering dates especially and anything to do with numbers really. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5901 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 68 of 73 18 September 2009 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Interesting article tommus. I have a couple of different forms of synesthesia I guess, including a visual for the calendar year (as well as one for numbers, times of the day, the weekdays, and a historical timeline) which I've described in my log here. But I don't see things as points in space around me, it's more of an image in my mind's eye when I think about it. I 'schedule' things like vacations and exam dates, then they show up clearly, and public holidays work their way into the calendar automatically, it's not something I do on purpose. (Uncertain times, like vacations that may or may not be happening, generally don't work out so well, and sometimes don't make it into scheduled mode even when the trip is actually booked.) It's quite a natural thing to me - I honestly don't know how other people keep track of where they are in time without it or what they're going to be doing at certain times, because I don't know any other way to think about it.
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| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6134 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 69 of 73 18 September 2009 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That is so interesting, it's as if you were describing me and not yourself, Liz! I am exactly the same with that. I'm not sure if this is normal for other people too, but another thing I can do is picture vividly anywhere that I have been and "take a tour." I think of a place and suddenly my vision disappears a little bit and this perfect image of a place appears in front of me. I can walk around go and look at stuff. I sometimes do it when I'm sad about having returned from Greece, I conjure up the picture (it comes up immediately) and take myself a tour of our house and our yard. The same thing happens when I am reading a story, a landscape appears and it's like a movie is playing in my head. I don't even consciously register as seeing the words on the paper or computer screen, just the vision in my head. Finally, I also "take myself on tours" of places when I am doing other things, like doing my vocabulary flashcards or doing any reading at all; I'm reading the things, but I'm "not there." I am often walking around our house in Greece, or my school, or something. Because of these concurrent tours, certain words, phrases, or memories evoke completely unrelated images because of this. Make sense? Does anyone else do this, or am I just weird? Or is it completely normal? Edited by ellasevia on 19 September 2009 at 4:39am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5901 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 70 of 73 19 September 2009 at 11:43am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Yeah, I can do that too, if I want, but only in the amount of detail I've observed while being there. With familiar places that's obviously a lot of detail, with places I've only been to once or twice it depends how much I was paying attention at the time. But yeah, it's normal to be able to do that, I think. Anyone can learn to do it - I know people who didn't naturally do that, but trained it successfully.
I don't 'travel' when I study for uni (unless I'm using travel route techniques to memorize a sequence), but I do have some sort of ongoing Wiki database creation going on with my uni work, which is in large part visual. I don't really understand how it works, but that's how I naturally end up remembering things. It lets me memorize the vast amount of vocabulary, concepts, and facts I need to learn. I suspect that part of the reason why I don't like reading fiction (besides disinterest) is because reading is too slow for the landscape to work out well. It's like watching a movie in slow motion - boring. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5559 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian | Message 71 of 73 21 September 2009 at 10:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Sort of. I can't "see" the time that's happening right now. I can only "see" historical time. For me, the arc of history has a definite shape; or at least the past two millennia do. When I think about the time of the day, the day of the week or the month of the year I just visualize a normal clock or calendar in my head. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5901 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 72 of 73 22 September 2009 at 12:02am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Apparently around 60% of people who have sequence-form synesthesia (having some sort of image of time, numbers, shoe sizes, whatever) also have grapheme-color synesthesia (seeing colours in relation to words or letters). I don't think it's been researched thoroughly enough to know how it all works, but there does seem to be a connection between different kinds of synesthesia in the same person, and apparently there can even be a genetic component. Interesting stuff, I've been taking advantage of my online journal access through my uni over the last few weeks to read up on a few things, still undecided about whether I should contact one of the published researchers in Norway just to vent about it in case they're interested. I reckon they're probably always looking for people whose brains they can have a poke at to help them figure stuff out...
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