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| Dark_Sunshine Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5767 days ago 340 posts - 357 votes  Speaks: English*, French | Message 73 of 202 12 April 2009 at 9:34pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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well, zocurtis... if you haven't made any new 'friends' through this thread as intended then I certainly have! I'm full of admiration for Bao and Silvestris after reading their posts :-) They should both post more often!
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| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6751 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 74 of 202 12 April 2009 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Radio Espantoso is a Hispanic radio station on GTA Vice City. About 90 percent of its songs and context is in Spanish. When I was learning Spanish, I used to listen to nothing but Radio Espantoso during the game. It also has funny mixes of English a Spanish. Normally mixes of languages annoy the hell out of me. But Radio Espantoso is quite funny. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Recht Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5803 days ago 241 posts - 270 votes Speaks: English*, GermanB1 | Message 75 of 202 12 April 2009 at 10:29pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
So you are: taking this personally and expanding personal experiences to a categorical statement. I on the other hand am using findings which are not based personally (although I do have personal experiences) and are based on large populations. I also never said you had less aptitude. You seem to have trouble distinguishing between what someone says is statistically more likely as opposed to what actually is.
do you not see the statistical significance of having, for example 100 men with an IQ of 150 for every 1 woman with an IQ of 150? If you put them all in a program together they'd all have the same average IQ, but the ratio is certainly indicative of something. Scores obviously fabricated but the analogy holds. The ratio is important, regardless of if there is a mean in the field.
Didn't realize you had a monopoly on the truth. I'm also not sure what specialized knowledge it takes to suggest males are statistically more likely to be involved in intellectual pursuits like sciences or perhaps high levels of language acquisition, and that this could be perhaps this can be explained in part by the unusual distribution of intelligence among men. It's interesting that no one has taken issue with the idea that men are biologically more likely to commit crime. Anyway, this will be the last post in this thread as I should probably be learning a language that I don't know. Edited by Recht on 12 April 2009 at 10:35pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6680 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 76 of 202 12 April 2009 at 10:52pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I'm a bit confused here. No one has ever thought about the fact that certain fields are traditionally reserved for women and others for men, and that transgressing those boundaries (even though widely accepted today) can take a lot of time? For example, a girl who is interested by, let's say physics or some technical field, like electronics, may feel discouraged by the fact that those subjects have always attracted men, from the time when they were unavailable to women up until today, passing by a time when it was probably very normal to think that such things were simply beyond women. Girls usually end up being the only girl in electronics classes, at least where I'm from. Perhaps not all girls see that as a whole lot of fun during three years of high school. I hardly believe it has anything to do with a difference in intelligence between the sexes. Girls have just always been raised to shut up and be nice and become something nice and useful (like teachers or nurses), and whereas that is changing in Sweden now according to some studies, we girls still shut up when I was a child.
I bet men who want to work with children may feel something similar when becoming kindergarten teachers. However, I would like to point out that for general science programs, girls tend to be equal or dominate in all the places I've been. The technicians program at my school was always at least 95% male, whereas the bilingual science program (seen as the hardest of the school), was generally 70% female. And that's interesting, because the normal science program seemed to be 50/50, but the one that involved teaching in English (omg scary) has always been dominated by girls at that particular school (one of Sweden's biggest). And, from all the genius classmates I have had in my high school classes (I went to three different ones), I recall 2 guys and 2 girls :P (And that's not counting the hard working ones, those were just brilliant to begin with) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Dark_Sunshine Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5767 days ago 340 posts - 357 votes Speaks: English*, French | Message 77 of 202 12 April 2009 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Yes, and not to mention the fact that women didn't even have the right of access to higher education until the 20th century. For example, in the UK, Cambridge University refused to award degrees to women until 1948- even if they'd passed all of the exams! And after that it took a few more decades for it to become as commonplace as it is today for women to go to university. So it's hardly surprising that the majority of scientific & technical discoveries have historically been made my men. I can't believe we even need to be pointing out the blatantly obvious to a forum supposedly populated by reasonably educated people. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Silvestris Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6566 days ago 131 posts - 136 votes Speaks: English*, Polish*, German | Message 78 of 202 13 April 2009 at 12:03am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
You overgeneralize my statements, ignore the objective evidence I provide in favor of claiming that I think my personal statements trump empirical study, and apparently read only the studies that support your own point and ignoring the ones that don't. I you have anything to do with science, I seriously fear for the field. I suspect you're one of 'wide deviations' you were talking about.
Perhaps you should. I think you'll need all the study time you can get :) Good luck. Anyhoot, I'm signing off. Have fun guys! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 6052 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 79 of 202 15 April 2009 at 5:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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psssst...there are no females on the internet.
Also, and I am no expert, but isn't it pretty clear from numerous studies that females have a higher verbal ability than men, and have an advantage in learning a foreign language (although the two might not be clearly linked)？ 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| icing_death Senior Member United States Joined 5863 days ago 296 posts - 302 votes Speaks: English* | Message 80 of 202 15 April 2009 at 6:21am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Is there a better reason to learn a language, or do anything, for that matter?
Surely you jest. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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