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| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6859 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 129 of 202 23 April 2009 at 7:06pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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I would turn off my e-mail notifications, but sometimes I get linked back to interesting threads. This thread, however, is a waste of time. I am sorry I ever added my own thoughts, though it's one of the few posts that directly answered the original poster's question.
I know lots of men and women who pursue their interests with undivided attention. I can not say that men or women are more one way or another. I can see trends, but also plenty of exceptions. Labeling groups of people as being a certain way is pointless. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dark_Sunshine Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5767 days ago 340 posts - 357 votes Speaks: English*, French | Message 130 of 202 23 April 2009 at 11:23pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
I wouldn't be surprised if some numpty actually takes you up on that invitation... Unfortunately there seems to have been a few right-wing Christian fundamentalists revealing themselves on this forum lately- and it's put me off this site a little bit I'm sorry to say. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6751 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 131 of 202 23 April 2009 at 11:39pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
I hope this isn't going to turn into an excuse for any pointless Christian bashing! I don't know why sexual minorities always pinpoint religious folks as the enemy! I live in a traditional mining communinity where there is a lot of homophobic people. Most of them are not religious in the slightest and haven't even read a Bible or even gone to church except for marriages, etc... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dark_Sunshine Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5767 days ago 340 posts - 357 votes Speaks: English*, French | Message 132 of 202 23 April 2009 at 11:46pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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I wasn't talking about all Christians, I was talking about right-wing Christian fundamentalism as a political movement. But in any case, you are correct that there is plenty of secular bigotry in the world- it's just that in my experience the secular kind is easier to engage with because it is not founded on a belief in a supreme and wilful being whose 'word' cannot be questioned. In other words, I'll try and debate the issues with my atheist homophobic family, but there's absolutely no point in arguing with a religious person on these matters, unless you happen to be God Himself of course ;-)
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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 133 of 202 23 April 2009 at 11:54pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
There are plenty of secular homophobes. There are plenty of tolerant religious folk. For that matter, there are plenty of religious homosexuals. However, in North America and Europe (the regions I'm most familiar with), most of the organized propaganda against homosexuals, including hate speech and lobbying against fundamental rights, is done under the guise of religion. When someone feels oppressed by organized groups who are doing something under a certain banner (such as religion), it's quite natural to not like those particular groups. Some people take this too far, and rail against the banners. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| jbbar Senior Member Belgium Joined 5802 days ago 192 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English | Message 134 of 202 24 April 2009 at 12:32am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
No, really? But apparently you do expect *practising* Christians to conform to your atheist secular worldview and the sexual deviance that some minority groups propagate as being normal and healthy. Specifically how should you have any more right to your opinion than a right-winger or practising Christian? Last time I checked, Right-wing political views and a Christian religious persuasion were not banned nor did people with such views make themselves guilty of breaking any laws. If anything, the overwhelming majority of them are law-abiding citizens. What's more is that you're a hypocrit. You deem those who disagree with homosexuality as right-wing Christian fundamentalists as if they were somehow a dangerous existential threat to your rights and liberties, while you cannot make a respectful statement about your support of traditional marriage these days or you will attract a whole army of militant gay right activists that have to remind you of just oh how intolerant and fascist you are. I've left several forums for the sheer fact that a bunch of militant anti-religious far-left extremists had to hijack every gosh darn debate about religion or politics and turn it into a tirade against conservatives and Christians, and an outlet of gay rights propaganda. Pathetic! Oh, and by the way, nobody's attacked ennime for being a transsexual but you felt the need to prophesize that some fundamentalist - and obviously a Christian nutcase - would come along to attack ennime and call him/her names. Ain't gonna happen. Why don't you write the administrator and ask him to make it policy to bar social conservatives from membership on this forum, if they're really such a bother to you? And I thought this was a *language* forum!
Oh, sure. And there is of course no powerful gay lobby that likes to spread hateful language toward social conservatives, or Christians especially, and no liberal Hollywood crowd supporting them, no poltical parties actively supporting gays, and absolutely no gay right support coming from celebrities that display depraved lifestyles and even like to promote them. jbbar Edited by jbbar on 24 April 2009 at 1:18am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 135 of 202 24 April 2009 at 1:22am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
This is a language forum. Political and religious discussion are against the forum rules; please respect that. It is also not about sexuality. Hence, my pointing out that practicing Christians have genuinely different opinions, which they strongly hold and which they consider based on the principles and texts of their religion, would be off-topic - so I shall end that thread here.
No one has more right to their opinion than anyone else. People do have the right to run public forums and restrict the topics; this is one such forum. Please respect that. This rule is here to avoid these sorts of inflammatory, divisive ... discussions.
A minority of right-wing fundamentalists _are_ an existential threat to gay rights and liberties, and openly gloat about this. You can certainly support some forms of traditional marriages these days with almost no reaction whatsoever. However, again, your reaction is a clear indication of why this type of discussion is not allowed on -this- forum.
It happens more often than you would think. If it doesn't happen here, all the better.
This is a language forum. Whether you're a social conservative or not should be irrelevant, because you simply should not be making a big deal out of it. Whether someone is a social conservative, loves them, or hates them, is simply off-topic here.
This is exactly what my previous post complained about: people who lump together everyone who's under one banner which is used by a small, non-representative minority. Hateful language does not help, no matter who it is directed at. Hating groups does not help, whether those groups are gay or socially conservative or anything else. Hating them because of hateful rhetoric from a small minority of their members is not better. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6751 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 136 of 202 24 April 2009 at 1:37am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Thanks for the post Jbbar. Lately I too have gotten the feeling that too many liberal extremists are preaching their views to everyone as if they were absulute truths. I am not just talking about this forum neither, I am talking about the internet and life in general. When it comes to tolerance for other people's views and right to opinions, I often get the feeling that modern progressive liberals are the least tolerant in this respect! Some of the more moderate liberal people are not bad, but these days there seem to be so many extremist social left-wingers around who seem to believe that everyone should be just like themselves! And if we social conservatives don't agree on something, we fall victim of their accusations! We are always bigotted, intolerant, homophobic, whatever! But if I were to publicly say I don't believe in sex before marriage, I don't believe in adultry, I think that marriage is a union only between a man and a woman or I don't like the provocative and indecent manner in which youngsters dress these days, I would be flamed so badly and labelled any of the above accusations! If I told any extreme liberal youngsters that I don't want to involve myself in casual sexual relations and that I would rather wait until marriage, chances are I would be laughed at or thought of as "strange"! Nethertheless these are my opinions. But for many extreme liberals, it seems that the right to hold an opinion is only valid when it falls to the left of the spectrum. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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