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| sprachefin Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5746 days ago 300 posts - 317 votes  Speaks: German*, English, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish, Mandarin, Bulgarian, Persian, Dutch | Message 33 of 50 29 May 2009 at 5:46am | IP Logged | |||||
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I think that a study should be done on which method is better. Two children raised in the exact same environments are put in two different settings for two hours a day. One with a computer, an ipod, CDs, books, movies, and television available, with stuff available in the target language. Then we have a child put in a room with nothing but a desk, a chair, a pen, a notepad, and a coursebook, with maybe the occasional reading passage and a CD. I wonder who would learn more? It would definitely be interesting to see how these different methods of language learning work. My guess is that it would be the child who wouldn't have all these distractions. I would be lucky if someone locked me in a room with those materials, for I cannot drag myself away from the computer!
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| Ashley_Victrola Senior Member United States Joined 5706 days ago 416 posts - 429 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Romanian | Message 34 of 50 29 May 2009 at 6:09am | IP Logged | |||||
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Also, I think that another problem is a lack of necessity. For instance people in foreign countries where a knowledge of English can help get a better life seem to learn it with very little extraneous materials. This is why having a goal is so important, otherwise it just seems like "what's the point? the resources and time will stil be there tomorrow"
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| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5909 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 35 of 50 29 May 2009 at 12:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
IMO you'd need to find a very motivated child to be able to handle the latter method without getting bored or learning to hate the language. This site is full of motivated learners who could probably do just fine and learn a lot from being locked in a room with their materials and no distractions, but most kids are simply not that motivated - it's hard enough motivating them to learn even with all the resources in the world at their fingertips! Personally I learn a lot more from the 'fun stuff' that might be seen by some as a waste of time and a distraction from 'real study' - I've tried both methods and I know which one I want to go with. I would tend to think that a combination of the two would produce the best results - take away people's cell phones and facebook access etc etc so they're not distracted by random things and then bombard them with fun materials they have a genuine interest in, as a means of teaching, not as a distraction. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| sprachefin Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5746 days ago 300 posts - 317 votes Speaks: German*, English, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish, Mandarin, Bulgarian, Persian, Dutch | Message 36 of 50 29 May 2009 at 9:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
Just because they hate the language does not mean that they will not learn it (let's use the assumption there is some type of incentive once native fluency is reached). But I think that the main thing with modern day language learning and the internet, is that many people get distracted and go on facebook and such as you have said. Preventing these distractions is very difficult. I personally try to turn off my computer when I go to study. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5909 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 37 of 50 29 May 2009 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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My brother is in the process of learning to hate Spanish at the moment, so I'd really have to disagree that it's fine for the process to suck. He was really motivated and keen before his classes started and now he can't stand it. I think showing kids how to have fun with learning languages is a much more worthwhile thing than making sure they do it even if they don't enjoy it... I still wouldn't touch German with a ten foot pole thanks to the completely uninspiring rote learning classes I had to take and I suspect my brother will feel the same way about Spanish 10 years from now. And that's just not OK on any level.
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| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6943 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 38 of 50 30 May 2009 at 7:42am | IP Logged | |||||
The grammar-translation methodology coupled with deliberate vocabulary memorization is very effective, that's the whole secret. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| EliteTransLingo Bilingual Diglot Newbie United States elitetranslingo.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5805 days ago 8 posts - 6 votes Speaks: Arabic (Egyptian)*, English* | Message 39 of 50 30 May 2009 at 7:53am | IP Logged | |||||
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To me the secret is not grammar, but sharp memory and practice, as some of our older generation knew perfect languages without studying its grammar just by practice...
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5766 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 40 of 50 30 May 2009 at 1:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Just one question - are you talking about outstanding individuals or about the average Joe and Jane?
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