OlafP Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5436 days ago 261 posts - 667 votes Speaks: German*, French, English
| Message 49 of 76 21 December 2010 at 9:55pm | IP Logged |
Laole wrote:
zerothinking wrote:
I don't attach my identity to the language or languages I speak. I think that's rather
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Well, what else people usually identify themselves with? Social class, favourite sports, political views? No idea why should that be smarter. |
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What about achievements? Things you have learned despite the fact that you got a bad start in life? Illusions you have overcome, friends you have made, decisions you have taken, hardship you have endured, injustice you have stood up against. All of these are subject to your own will but not coincidences like native language, nationality, race, or whatever nonsense people can be proud of if they never achieved anything in their life.
Edited by OlafP on 21 December 2010 at 10:37pm
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leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 50 of 76 21 December 2010 at 10:29pm | IP Logged |
OlafP wrote:
All of these are subject to your own will but not coincidences like native language, nationality, race,
or whatever nonsense people can be proud of if they never achieved anything in their life. |
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Maybe ideally people shouldn't be sensitive about these things, but they are. So your statement actually condones
racism, which I'm guessing wasn't your goal.
The current fad against all things PC, including language bashing, is a sad statement about our society.
Respect.
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OlafP Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5436 days ago 261 posts - 667 votes Speaks: German*, French, English
| Message 51 of 76 21 December 2010 at 10:57pm | IP Logged |
leosmith wrote:
OlafP wrote:
All of these are subject to your own will but not coincidences like native language, nationality, race, or whatever nonsense people can be proud of if they never achieved anything in their life. |
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Maybe ideally people shouldn't be sensitive about these things, but they are. So your statement actually condones racism, which I'm guessing wasn't your goal.
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I wrote that coincidences are nothing to be proud of. How does that condone racism?
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dotdotdot Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5220 days ago 24 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Korean, English* Studies: Italian, Russian
| Message 52 of 76 21 December 2010 at 11:51pm | IP Logged |
Most of the time, I would just laugh at the insult, but if they start bashing Korean for the most stupid reasons, then they might end up having problems with breathing for a couple of seconds ;)
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leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 53 of 76 22 December 2010 at 2:13am | IP Logged |
OlafP wrote:
I wrote that coincidences are nothing to be proud of. How does that condone racism? |
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You said proud of, but I thought you meant sensitive about, since earlier discussions were focused on that. My
apologies.
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sebngwa3 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6165 days ago 200 posts - 217 votes Speaks: Korean*, English
| Message 54 of 76 25 December 2010 at 8:05pm | IP Logged |
qklilx wrote:
When people insult English, I couldn't care less, and I may even join in on the insults, though
ironically it's usually a discussion in English.
When people insult Korean, I try to defend it to a certain extent, but it really depends on how outrageous the
comments are. Sometimes I agree.
When people insult Japanese, I join in, but that doesn't happen often since most people seem to think Japanese is
a beautiful language.
When people insult Mongolian... hasn't happened yet but I still hold the opinion that it's the coolest language I've
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What kinds of insults did you hear about Korean and Japanese?
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CheeseInsider Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5123 days ago 193 posts - 238 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin* Studies: French, German
| Message 55 of 76 28 December 2010 at 4:06am | IP Logged |
Meh... It doesn't affect me. I don't care if I sound like I'm cutting vegetables when I speak Mandarin. Same with English, oh well, if you don't like the way it sounds, try to avoid it.
However, if somebody criticizes Mandarin for using pictographs with few phonetic symbols, and English spelling for the absolute failure that it is, I will wholeheartedly agree.
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tzadik7 Hexaglot Newbie United States Joined 5795 days ago 10 posts - 11 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Dutch, Turkish, Mandarin, Arabic (classical)
| Message 56 of 76 06 January 2011 at 6:38am | IP Logged |
I think (like several others have already mentioned in earlier posts) that language
plays an important part in one's identity. When I was living in France, a Frenchman and
I got into an interesting conversation about our native languages. I got slightly
insulted when he said that French was better at expressing ideas than English. He also
added that French has a word for everything. I am of the idea that no language is
perfect for expressing all thoughts and ideas. I also believe that no one language has
a word for everything.
A French friend of mine originally from Kazakhstan told me that up 'til a few years ago
she had thought that English was an ugly language...a sort of language of barbarians.
As much as I love my mother tongue (English), I could understand her argument. Her
comments did not bother me at all. Nevertheless, the French guy that I talked to above
stepped on my toes a bit. I don't know whether he did it intentionally or not.
So I don't know. I felt attacked when people start putting down my native tongue. It is
a central part of my identity.
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