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| healing332 Senior Member United States Joined 5626 days ago 164 posts - 211 votes  | Message 17 of 67 16 July 2009 at 9:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The study shows that television used the way I used it (movies for me ) can teach you a new language
Why dont we have more studies on this because as the paper stated..Television was dismissed as a language learning tool because they were using it the wrong way(no one thought of taping the shows and watching it repeatedly) I feel an adult should do much better than a child or at least the same.. and I like the tin man not the strawman 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6131 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish | Message 18 of 67 16 July 2009 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I do want to learn this. It is 50% of my ethnic heritage, so I am serious about it, but I have to work too, so that eats into my time. Oh well. For Japanese my goal this year is to pass the JLPT3. I took the JLPT3 last year, but I failed by 5 points. I scored okay on reading and Kanji, but I totally blew out on the listening. So this year I've dedicated myself to beginner listening-reading and intermediate grammar/Kanji. I have a beginner-level CD and I read the book that goes with it and then I cycle many many times on the audio until I can hear all the words. Sometimes I watch a movie and try to struggle along. If it's subtitled in Japanese the lights sort of partially turn on, and I'll go from less than 10% comprehension to maybe 50% comprehension. With Japanese subtitles I can pause and just translate manually with a dictionary if I have to.
Realistically at my current rate, I'll be happy to hit intermediate level by around 2011 or so? Right now something like the Little Prince in Japanese is just starting to look doable with effort. I might go for this, as I'm kind of persuaded by the advocates of the novel method. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ashley_Victrola Senior Member United States Joined 5712 days ago 416 posts - 429 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Romanian | Message 19 of 67 16 July 2009 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It's possible for some people to learn solely by watching television but it isn't the norm, there are many studies that have proved this. We learned about this in my linguistics class earlier this week, ironically. That's very nice it worked for the little girl and if it works for you too then fantastic. You will also get to have a case study done on you because it's a rather rare scenario. There aren't many studies supporting this because when they do studies like this, they don't work. The results are not good. And they do have them watch the same tapes repeatedly in some cases.
This was supposed tobe the idea behind the MUZZY videotapes, and it just wasn't effective. Neuroplasticity declines rapidly with age. Sort of like how when a child breaks their leg, they will heal easier than an elderly person. That's the truth. I'm studying Psychology with a concentration in neuroscience, I know what I'm talking about and telling you the truth. And even then it doesn't work for all children. For instance they have tried similar tactics with Asian children to try to teach them English and deaf parents have tried to use this tactic to make sure that their children, who know ASL (which is processed in the same place as spoken language so that isn't the problem) and it does not work. It is the INTERACTIVE component of language that makes it stick. To be honest, if I were going to try to assess your success in Spanish I would largely say it has more to do with the fact that you avidly seek out native speakers. These outside things that an adult can do are really what helps. We get the point that repeatedly deconstructing movies or whatever can help but all of these multiple threads are very annoying and they are all pretty much saying the same thing. Have you even contributed to a thread that was not your own? By the way, I absolutely love how after you realized that you weren't channeling Kato Lomb, you decided to make this six year old your linguistic hero. Edited by Ashley_Victrola on 16 July 2009 at 10:56pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| healing332 Senior Member United States Joined 5626 days ago 164 posts - 211 votes | Message 20 of 67 16 July 2009 at 11:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
The Muzzy Tapes are NOT like what this girl did or like my movie disecting! here is WIKI on MUZZY "Some children sit down in front of Muzzy and become quite absorbed in the cartoon. Those children should be learning something of the new language. They are certainly hearing the words which are said by the characters, but one of the drawbacks with Muzzy is that it does, at times, present new language in an ambiguous way at best - and in a thoroughly confusing way at worst". "For example, there is a scene in which the Queen is talking while she uses a stick to knock down different types of fruit from trees. The viewer could be fooled into thinking the Spanish means, 'I am bashing a tree with my stick', when in fact she is saying, 'I like (name of fruit)'. This example suggests it is difficult to accurately present new language through a cartoon alone" I am not talking about Muzzy.Buzzy..Huzzy or any language program I am talking about REAL tv programs and movies!!!! NUEROPLASTICITY CAN DO AMAZING THINGS IN ADULTS..THE MIND CONTROLS THE BRAIN AND THIS IS WHAT SCIENCE HAS DISCOVERED!!!THE BRAIN IS READY WHEN WE WAKE IT UP IN ADULTS! Read the Mind and the Brain by Jeffery Shartz it will blow you and your teachers away on what the adult brain can do.. Thank God this little girl was not exposed to the limiting beliefs of many(not all) on this forum This guy here is doing it with SUCCESS with an Asian Language and tv! http://learnalanguageortwo.blogspot.com/2009/06/tv-method-or -how-i-learned-italian.html And Kato Lombs book is in line with everything I have posted...Please OPEN YOUR MINDS 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jpxt2 Triglot Groupie United States Joined 6737 days ago 46 posts - 52 votes Speaks: English, Spanish*, French Studies: Mandarin, Catalan, Portuguese, German, Italian | Message 21 of 67 17 July 2009 at 12:01am | IP Logged | |||||
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Khatzumoto on http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/ did the full immersion thing you describe of just living as a Japanese person full time, and he learned it all in a year, simple as that.
If he came across a movie or show he didn't like, he just dumped it, no discussions. I am in agreement, none of this slavishly dragging yourself through didactic materials and trying to subsist on that alone. Learning materials should be a side dish, your vitamins, your nutritional supplements, but mass amounts of native media capable of holding your attention should be your main course and the staples of your diet. Do it this way and you'll pump up quickly instead of being a skinny wimp in your L2 for years and years. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6017 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 22 of 67 17 July 2009 at 12:02am | IP Logged | |||||
Now who's the one who's being limiting? You're basically telling practically everyone here that we're time-wasting amateurs!
This sort of thing is even more likely to occur in "authentic" cartoons. Why should it be a problem when it occurs in Muzzy, but not in Transformers? Your comparison with Roger Bannister is also a very bad analogy. Bannister may have been training for the 4-minute mile, but he knew that even if he didn't reach it, all that training would make him faster. He was not trying something completely new, he was just doing the same thing harder, faster, better. He didn't throw out the rule book, he just (if you'll pardon the pun) ran with it. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6131 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish | Message 23 of 67 17 July 2009 at 12:42am | IP Logged | |||||
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Honestly, I've been flipping back and forth on the value of incomprehensible input. I think it depends. I seem to be leaning towards 'incomprehensible is pointless' view right now, but I have spent months on incomprehensible Japanese audio combined with textbooks and vocab and grammar. What happened is I got nervous that my listening still sucked, and so I went back to boring but more comprehensible beginner audio. I do have some Japanese practice CD's that are pretty challenging for me. I think for me the sweet spot right now is subtitled in Japanese, which is enough of a challenge to keep me going, but where I'm not completely lost.
Though I remember little of high school German, I almost sort of feel like maybe I could learn something from just watching movies. Just for curiosity, I got a copy of "Angst essen Seele auf" and the character in this movie is an Arab guy who speaks pretty simple German, and I was picking up a few things. I think I might be able to do this with German. I have just enough latent German in me and there's enough German to English cognates to put together a vague picture of what's going on. The last language on my list is Finnish, and even though the sound of Finnish is more familiar to me, I've tried some Finnish movies and I hear very little. I can grab a few hyvää's here and there. I am for the most part completely lost. I'm just too busy with Japanese now to take on another set of vocab. I think I might conditionally learn from movies and TV to some extent. I like to think via book study I'm slowly creeping up on being able to learn from native Japanese audio though to be honest with myself, I'm not really quite there yet. With Finnish, err, I don't know -- I feel like I've already got enough years of incomprehensible Finnish in my brain as is, and I just need to do some word lists, really. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| fairyfountain Senior Member Zimbabwe Joined 6134 days ago 254 posts - 248 votes 5 sounds | Message 24 of 67 17 July 2009 at 1:18am | IP Logged | |||||
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I will have to agree with the minority. I have been using Khatz's method, and it is fantastic. I'm not even 1K through my listening challenge, and I already feel like I can speak English much better. Native accents don't seem to be the most difficult thing to acquire either, if you ask me. Anyway :p
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