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| Kveldulv Senior Member Italy Joined 6945 days ago 222 posts - 244 votes  1 sounds Speaks: Italian* | Message 25 of 244 27 July 2009 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | |||||
Scusa se anch'io non mi faccio gli affari miei, ma dal tuo post potrei dire la stessa cosa del tuo Italiano. Scrivere un messaggio praticamente perfetto non è certo cosa da "beginner". Complimenti. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5901 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 26 of 244 29 July 2009 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Ciao a tutti!
Lumulo, grazie per i complimenti... La mia madrelingua è il norvegese, sono completamente norvegese e anche i miei genitori (e nonni, bisnonni, ecc.) sono norvegesi. Ma per tre anni (16-19) sono andata a una scuola internazionale, parlando e usando l'inglese tutti i giorni e per quasi tutte le classe (oltre a la classe di norvegese), e parlandolo con gli amici. Poi ho vissuto a Londra per un anno... Perciò posso sembrare americana, anche alcuni americani dicono che io parli totalmente senza accento - so che ancora faccio qualche errore, ma non mi importa tanto... Ci sono altre lingue da studiare! Mi piacerebbe fare la stessa cosa col Italiano - usarlo per tutto per un lungo periodo - ma purtroppo non è possibile... Ma un giorno spero che possa andare in Italia per vedere il Bel Paese con i propri occhi. Può darsi che io vada in ottobre! Questa è la prima volta che scrivo in Italiano (la maiuscola è colpa del forum, che non mi lascia sciverlo correttamente) 'in pubblico', pensavo studiarlo un po' di più prima di cominciare a scrivere... Ma qualche giorno fa Staf mi ha scritto in Italiano e ho dovuto scrivere la mia risposta in Italiano, e perché voi avete scritto in Italiano... ci voglio provare anch'io. Mi piacerebbe che mi correggeste gli errori, ma sicuramente ce ne sono più di alcuni, e mi sembra che abbiate altre cose da fare anche voi...! Perdonatemi per i sbagli... Sbagliare non mi piace per niente, inoltre non mi piace parlare e scrivere come un bambino, ma dobbiamo tutti parlare così per imparare. Come vedete, sono ancora imparando passo a passo, spero che fra qualche mese scriverò meglio. Per una perfezionista come io non è una cosa semplice lasciarmi sbagliare - meglio non fare mai errori, o almeno che non lo sappia nessuno :-) Sono contenta che gli Italiani non si arrabbiano quando sbagliamo noi stranieri, invece semplicemente fanno correzioni con tanta pazienza, sono troppo bravi! ...Questa risposta si è diventata un po' lunga, se hai letto tutto fin qui - congratulazioni... E grazie. Basta già... Saluti! Elisabetta/Liz/qualsiasi variante di uno di quelli nomi che ti piace più che gli altri/veramente non importa/perché stai leggendo questo, hmm? Edited by Lizzern on 29 July 2009 at 6:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| densou Senior Member Italy foto.webalice.it/denRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6124 days ago 120 posts - 121 votes Speaks: Italian* | Message 27 of 244 29 July 2009 at 7:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
Se vuoi mi ci metto pure io....scherzo, testo corretto. P.S. Corsivo/Italic - Correzione/Mistake Grassetto/Bold - Rimpiazzo/Replacement Sottolineatura/Underlined - Spostamento/Misplaced Edited by densou on 29 July 2009 at 7:41pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5901 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 28 of 244 29 July 2009 at 10:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Grazie mille Denis... :-)
Well now. I'm not going to start writing this log entirely in Italian just yet... You may consider that a poorly veiled threat. Run for the hills! ...So here's me switching back to English before this gets awkward and/or I stop posting as frequently as I want because I don't know how the heck you would say things in Italian. If there's one thing I refuse to do, it's English-ify my Italian, I don't want to get into the habit of coming up with how to say things as I say them, I'd rather learn them and know them, though through practice and looking things up rather than saying something painfully cringeworthy and hoping I'll be corrected. My previous post was literally my 4th time ever writing anything in Italian of any length worth considering. A big, big part of me wants to just go back and edit the heck out of the whole thing so others won't see my many and somewhat embarrassing mistakes. But since I've only been learning the language for 3 months and haven't practiced writing yet, I'm calling this a win, cause I have to start somewhere, and for me it is a VERY big deal to write something that I know is bound to have mistakes in it and still feel less than awful about the whole thing. And I guess it's OK to suck on the road to getting better - certainly better than never doing anything, although at least that way you never have to go through the period of sucking and save yourself an awful lot of embarrassment... Meh twisted logic, I'll stop there. But that gene that lets normal people cut themselves some slack is tragically absent from my genetic makeup, so I'm not inclined to taking mistakes lightly. Next stop grammar books, to read up on everything that was pointed out. And yes, some of those were "Oh come ON, you KNEW how to write that correctly. You KNEW" mistakes. Sigh. Unavoidable, isn't it? As a semi-random note, I REALLY need to stop comparing myself to other people here. (That means you, Iversen! Among others. You know you're my hero!) When I signed up, or sometime, there was something on this site that said that if you have a problem with others knowing more about languages in general or the languages you're learning than you do, this site isn't for you. Too right. I don't have a problem with it as such, I really don't, but I do find myself inadvertently comparing myself to all those people here that kick serious booty at Italian (and other languages), even though I know I shouldn't, and try not to, and I know it's of no use anyway. Quite frankly there's no reason at all why I should be any good at it when I'm only just getting started. I guess from my educational background and whatnot I'm just not used to being the person who's obviously struggling, I would usually either just get things right pretty soon or go the 'fake it till you make it' route so that no one ever really saw me suck at anything. (Except drawing. Was never any good at that. Though my stick figures are positively fabulous.) So anyway, I'm kinda glad I can still pull the newbie card, and I will carry on practicing writing from now on, the quantity of my random ramblings that find their way into this log will vary though. To bring this thing back on topic - the last few days have been spent mostly reading things from Personalità confusa as well as the entire Italian thread on this forum, some more random reading, and a fairly significant amount of listening practice from youtube interviews. I'm loving the results from trying to follow Iversen's advice for listening practice, listening to spoken Italian at normal or even fast talking speeds isn't really much of a problem now - the problem with understanding is lacking the vocabulary to know what's being said or what I'm reading. That's the main thing that stands out in everything I do to learn these days (besides the whole output thing), the 50 bajillion words and idioms I simply don't know. Unfortunately, because of a health problem I need to start seriously limiting the amount of time I spend on the computer while at home, for the next couple of weeks at least, until I'm back home and things return to normal setup-wise. This means I'll actually need printed text to work with along with my dictionary, the dictionary is here with me but I didn't really bring any books besides Assimil and my grammar book. I might need to see if I can find a printer to use while I'm here so that I have some material at hand, or simply focus on listening for the time being, which I can do comfortably and without causing problems for myself. At least I know there's a set date for when this will change, and I'm fine with making allowances for my health - has to be done. Incidentally, why does the forum autocorrect things? Why does it not let you write Italiano in all lower case letters? Meanness. Liz Edited by Lizzern on 29 July 2009 at 10:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| densou Senior Member Italy foto.webalice.it/denRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6124 days ago 120 posts - 121 votes Speaks: Italian* | Message 29 of 244 30 July 2009 at 1:25am | IP Logged | |||||
I think you must blame Firefox on capital letters, not this board :)
*thumbs up* Plus imo, I'd like to say that Norwegian-ify your Italian would be better instead :p (just kidding) I found out Bokmål could have sense when traslating something into it from Italian. HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT AN ADVICE ;)
I hope it wasn't my bad luck's fault. However, I'm not even able to speak any language when my crappy health decide to toy with me. (No way, I dare to put my life at stake thanks to a bad physician -almost everyone here and never met the good ones....) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5901 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 30 of 244 30 July 2009 at 1:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'd rather Italian-ify my Italian :-) I want people to not think I'm Norwegian, I want people to think of me as an Italian when I speak the language and that the whole colour scheme thing was just one of nature's pranks. I'm not good enough until I'm THAT convincing. I know I have a long way to go, but if I could do it with English I can do it with Italian and anyone that would insist otherwise is simply a naysayer. Let people think it can't be done - not my problem.
It wasn't :-) Take care of yourself. I don't always do that, but should, and it's worth doing so. Got my grammar book out yesterday (after months of hibernation in a backpack, it is still drowsy, cranky, and wants a coffee) and read a bit, but I think I kind of need practice in how to read these things, it's like I don't know what to do with those kinds of books. Coming soon to a fireplace near you... Anyway it's a very short book, less than 100 pages but apparently good (it has to be, right, cause the back cover says so - then it must be true) and I'd been saving it for after Assimil to have as a reference of sorts, to use when I'm well and truly stuck or want to have something clearer in my mind. There are a couple of things I'd like to read up on now but as soon as I opened the book I just wanted to reach for my Assimil instead! Anyway, I'll deal with it so I can use it productively as a reference - just brings back an awful lot of bad memories, is all. I'll probably stick to looking up a couple of things at a time, or have a look at my other grammar book which I left back home. Not the best idea that I ended up in the verbs chapter last night where all the forms were listed before they got round to explaining much. I might spend some time just focusing on vocabulary for the next few days and then go back to the grammar book once I feel inspired to read up on something. Relevant note to self: look things up when you're curious about them, no mental list of things to look up 'later', cause 'later' you're not going to feel like reading about them and your grammar book will bore the heck out of you and you will have homicidal thoughts about it. Fact of life... Liz Edited by Lizzern on 30 July 2009 at 1:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5901 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 31 of 244 31 July 2009 at 8:57am | IP Logged | |||||
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Just had a bit of a change in circumstances yesterday, long story blah blah blah you don't actually care blah blah blah, basically if I could get fluent in Italian by, oh say, a week ago, that'd be just perfect. Failing that... I have work to do.
Primarily, I need to increase my vocabulary and I need to increase it FAST. I'm talking leaps and bounds, none of that 'slow and steady wins the race' thing - although I was avoiding that anyway, so it's all good. I have been picking up a lot of new vocabulary from my reading and listening, but so far I've basically picked up what's been thrown at me from the things I want to read and listen to, but I need to make it more directed towards what I need to know. Actually I need to know an awful lot, but can narrow it down somewhat, then learn the most important stuff first. At this point I need to put preferences aside and get this done, by any means necessary... Anything goes. Even methods I'm initially skeptical of. So I'm going to have a scout through the archives and have a look at what people recommend for maximum efficiency with vocabulary, in particular looking at our superlearners, who have certainly found methods that work for them and that I should try to learn from, at the very least try them out to see if they work for me. I suspect I'll end up with Iversen's wordlist method, although the fun requirement still very much applies, so I may adapt it a bit if I need to :-) This also means that forum time will be reduced - other things have higher priority - but I will still be posting in my log (hopefully daily, since I'll be studying daily anyway and should keep a record somewhere) and here and there, but irregularly. The next few weeks are going to be crazy... I love that though :-) If you're reading this thinking "oh! she should totally try X and Y and Z..." please do post! Any tips would be greatly appreciated, but based on something I read on another forum one time, "do your own research, I am not your mother", and golly just plain ol' common sense, I am of course going to go hunting for good advice myself. I'll probably post what I've found here. I'll keep you all (all 1 of you... Or rather, all 1 of 'me') posted on how it goes... This is gonna be awesome :-) Liz Edited by Lizzern on 31 July 2009 at 7:42pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| anamsc Triglot Senior Member Andorra Joined 6195 days ago 296 posts - 382 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Catalan Studies: Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Written), French | Message 32 of 244 31 July 2009 at 4:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hi Lizzern,
I don't have any advice, I just wanted to wish you luck! I'm finding your log very interesting :). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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