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lancemanion Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5570 days ago 150 posts - 166 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Thai Studies: French, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 9 of 14 23 September 2009 at 3:09am | IP Logged |
shazam wrote:
the only way to increase your fluency from an intermediate level to an advanced level is by
reading, watching television, and listening to audio |
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I agree with you that the only way to become fluent is to get massive comprehensible input. I disagree with this
statement because you make it sound like that's all you need to do. In addition, I think most consider conversation
to be part of fluency, and you don't include this.
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| Toufik18 Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Algeria Joined 5742 days ago 188 posts - 202 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)*, Arabic (classical)*, French, English
| Message 11 of 14 23 September 2009 at 1:08pm | IP Logged |
@lancemanion
No, I won't of course do nothing but read, in fact, I deal with French prety much everyday orally, so reading is just the get the grip of fine grammar nuances .
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@ shazam (nice name btw)
That's exactly what I am trying to do, build a pattern for grammar phenomens by reading a lot and letting them penetrate into my brain .
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| SamD Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6657 days ago 823 posts - 987 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, Norwegian
| Message 12 of 14 23 September 2009 at 3:25pm | IP Logged |
Reading is probably the best way to get the kind of input that helps a learner to master formal grammar.
As I see it, the distinction between formal grammar (what the language learning books usually tell you) and informal grammar (what people in the street actually say and write) is important.
If you want to learn formal grammar, you will want to read "good" books and publications aimed at an educated audience. If you want to learn informal grammar, you will want to read material aimed at a more casual audience. In fact, television shows and movies might provide more input for informal grammar.
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| Al-Malik Bilingual Heptaglot Senior Member United Kingdom arabicgenie.com Joined 7132 days ago 221 posts - 294 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, German*, Spanish, Arabic (Written), Dutch, French, Arabic (classical) Studies: Mandarin, Persian
| Message 13 of 14 23 September 2009 at 4:13pm | IP Logged |
Reading a lot will certainly help with getting a feel of the grammar. However, what people generally consider to be "grammar" (i.e. grammatical rules that most native speakers aren't even aware of) will certainly not come out of this strategy.
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| Lingua Decaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5574 days ago 186 posts - 319 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Danish, French, Norwegian, Portuguese, Dutch
| Message 14 of 14 23 September 2009 at 7:01pm | IP Logged |
Reading a lot will provide you with large amounts of comprehensible input. Reading a lot, like lots of comprehensible input from listening and conversing, will help you to acquire grammar. You may or may not "master" the grammar, but you will certainly acquire more grammar from lots of reading and other comprehensible input than you will from just small amounts of comprehensible input.
Edited by Lingua on 23 September 2009 at 7:05pm
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