tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5864 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish
| Message 281 of 509 08 February 2011 at 1:45pm | IP Logged |
JanKG wrote:
would you have a way of finding synonyms of phrases/ expressions/... ? I mean: would you be able to find synonyms of 'beat around the bush' as a phrase? |
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Yes, but it is not an exact science. The best site seems to be:
http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/search.php?q=be at+about+the+bush&d=1
It didn't know 'beat around the bush', but by entering just 'bush', it knew 'beat about the bush' which means the same thing.
Another good site, mostly for two and three word phrases, is:
http://www.phrases.net/psearch
I would like to find equivalent sites for short phrases in Dutch, For single words, these two sites are very good:
http://synoniemen.net/
http://www.mijnwoordenboek.nl/synoniemNL.php
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ReneeMona Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5333 days ago 864 posts - 1274 votes Speaks: Dutch*, EnglishC2 Studies: French
| Message 282 of 509 08 February 2011 at 2:15pm | IP Logged |
Thanks for the links, tommus. For Dutch sayings and idioms you might find a spreekwoordenboek useful.
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tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5864 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish
| Message 283 of 509 08 February 2011 at 2:53pm | IP Logged |
Thanks Renee for the good link, and thanks Jan for the question. I found another two Dutch sites that I knew about but just now realised they are very good for short expressions:
For example, I entered 'aan de hand' in this site:
http://www.woorden.org/spreekwoord.php?woord=aan+de+hand
And this site is good for 'korte Nederlandstalige gezegden':
http://nl.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nederlandstalige_gezegden
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JanKG Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5765 days ago 245 posts - 280 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, French Studies: Italian, Finnish
| Message 284 of 509 08 February 2011 at 6:51pm | IP Logged |
Thanks, Renee, I knew that one and I like it a lot, but it does not give synonyms - and it only refers to 'spreekwoorden'/ proverbs, which - I think - have lost a lot of their popularity. Don't you think? 'Zegswijzen' are way more common, is my impresion.
And thanks, Sr Tommus: the Wikiquote is quite OK, could be quite useful! And the woorden.org even gives synonyms indeed, though it happens in some quite 'strange' way: in that the search engine also checks the explanations! The only drawback might be that when the same terms are not used for the same meaning, we cannot find it. But is a good, no, an excellent start ! Thanks a lot !
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tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5864 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish
| Message 285 of 509 08 February 2011 at 9:23pm | IP Logged |
Jan: Was the English language expression site (above) something like what you were looking for concerning expressions such as your 'beat around the bush'? If not, there seem to be many more similar English sites (via Google), but they're not as well organised as that one.
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JanKG Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5765 days ago 245 posts - 280 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, French Studies: Italian, Finnish
| Message 286 of 509 08 February 2011 at 9:46pm | IP Logged |
Yes, it was, Tommus. You're right about language (or explanations of meaning) not being an exact science, but somehow it might be interesting to list expressions from a semantic-functional point of view. Maybe I'll send you a copy of what I have tried for Dutch.
But this would be helpful for English, for sure !
(And of course I did mean 'beat about the bush', I was mistaken, thanks!)
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tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5864 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish
| Message 287 of 509 08 February 2011 at 10:58pm | IP Logged |
JanKG wrote:
(And of course I did mean 'beat about the bush', I was mistaken, thanks!) |
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You are mistaken about being mistaken. 'Beat around the bush' is also quite common.
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JanKG Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5765 days ago 245 posts - 280 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, French Studies: Italian, Finnish
| Message 288 of 509 08 February 2011 at 11:34pm | IP Logged |
Am I then doubly mistaken - or forgiven ? ;-)
See you at the next interesting question !
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