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Fasulye
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Message 329 of 509

07 March 2011 at 1:22pm | IP Logged

I have never used or seen "eenieder" anywhere. But I am very familiar with the word "iedereen".

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Edited by Fasulye on 08 March 2011 at 11:29am
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07 March 2011 at 5:10pm | IP Logged

I've heard the word eenieder used before but it's not very common and it does sound a little formal. I'm not surprised you found it in a newspaper but I would be surprised if someone my own age used it, especially in speaking.
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Message 333 of 509

07 March 2011 at 7:06pm | IP Logged

If I am allowed to throw in my two cents:
- "eenieder": simply don't use it, it is formal, it is old, it is hardly ever used by native speakers: Google mentions only 260000 hits, all formal, whereas "iedereen" gets over 15000000
- always one word, never two
- "iedereen" will do fine, but I have the feeling that "eenieder" focuses on the individual, whereas "iedereen"focuses on the whole. Reminds of "many a ..." vs. "many".
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Message 334 of 509

07 March 2011 at 9:23pm | IP Logged

JanKG wrote:

- "iedereen" will do fine, but I have the feeling that "eenieder" focuses on the individual, whereas "iedereen"focuses on the whole. Reminds of "many a ..." vs. "many".

Yes, that's exactly what I thought as well, but I couldn't find put it into words. I feel like "iedereen" focuses on the group as a whole while "eenieder" means every individual in a group.
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Message 335 of 509

07 March 2011 at 9:27pm | IP Logged

JanKG wrote:

- "eenieder": simply don't use it

As usual, I will take your advice and not use it.

JanKG wrote:

it is formal, it is old, it is hardly ever used by native speakers: Google mentions only 260000 hits, all formal

I appreciate you checking out all those 260,000 hits! However, I think if you look closer, you will notice many usages that seem to me to be rather informal or at least in routine text. For example, these took only a moment to find:

http://www.onetopcasino.com/keno.html

http://www.wesepe.nl/2010/10/voor-eenieder-met-ms-een-collec tant-in-de-bres/

http://0308783450.nl/2010/01/een-vog-voor-eenieder-die-met-k inderen-werkt/

JanKG wrote:

- always one word, never two

If you Google De Telegraph only, with 'eenieder site://www.telegraaf.nl', you will get 540 hits with a mixture of 'eenieder' and 'een ieder' which suggests that both are in general and common usage.

JanKG wrote:

- "iedereen" will do fine, but I have the feeling that "eenieder" focuses on the individual, whereas "iedereen"focuses on the whole. Reminds of "many a ..." vs. "many".

You probably know that "many a ..." is a very common expression in English. Is it possible that "eenieder" is a bit more 'common' than you think?

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Message 336 of 509

07 March 2011 at 9:35pm | IP Logged

Oh-oh, I'm impressed and that needs some going into, but I... stick to my point of view... :-)

tommus wrote:

JanKG wrote:

- always one word, never two

If you Google De Telegraph only, with 'eenieder site://www.telegraaf.nl', you will get 540 hits with a mixture of 'eenieder' and 'een ieder' which suggests that both are in general and common usage.

I had a quick look, but there might be a small difference relating to Dutch Dutch and Flemish Dutch, but I believe I can say that I read quite some texts, also professionally, and hardly ever (!)come across the word. IN my view it belongs to unnatural language, it is used by those who want to give a text more... stature. I.e.: it is a matter of register to me. In law texts (?) you might find it.

"Eenieder" seems more common according to your onzetaal.nl source.

JanKG wrote:

- You probably know that "many a ..." is a very common expression in English. Is it possible that "eenieder" is a bit more 'common' than you think?

I just referred to "many a" to illustrate the meaning, not the use... :-)

So I am impressed by your thorough search, but based on my experience (53 years
and quite some reading), it is not very natural to me.

Edited by JanKG on 07 March 2011 at 9:38pm

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