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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4715 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 137 of 192 25 September 2012 at 3:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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Why is this illogical? Isn't it just a matter of convention?
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5064 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 138 of 192 25 September 2012 at 4:02pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes, but any convention doesn't work here. In English there are no strict pronunciation rules and they are often violated in foreign words. It is nearly always possible to pronounce a given word in many ways and sometimes it is not possible at all. And who decided to do in such a way and why? Why don't other people do like that? Edited by Марк on 25 September 2012 at 4:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4715 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 139 of 192 25 September 2012 at 4:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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It seems to be working right now just fine? I mean, people are pronouncing them like
that? Surely you've noticed that people do end up learning pronunciation, despite the fact English orthography is quite off-the-wall? If their convention is to have it this way, it is no more or less logical than to use soft signs for palatalization or accents as stress markers (instead of as diacritics). The anglophones decided to do it that way. I'm sorry their subpar orthography irritates your Russian sense of discipline How can you violate a rule that strictly speaking doesn't exist? I'm sorry, I don't understand how it's illogical. Just because English convention is to decide per word what the pronunciation is does not make it illogical. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5064 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 140 of 192 25 September 2012 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | ||
How do they know how to pronounce a new word? A new name for example? Everyone can read it in its own way and how will they understand eachother? Muirean Nic Amhlaoibh, for example? If it works fine, could English speakers tell me how they would pronounce such a name? Edited by Марк on 25 September 2012 at 4:30pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4715 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 141 of 192 25 September 2012 at 4:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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right I forgot no one knows how to pronounce English and therefore nobody understands any
English at all, ever all people learning English are complete brain-mush and don't actually listen or pick things up, no, never, this DOES NOT HAPPEN 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5064 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 142 of 192 25 September 2012 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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But if a native English speaker encounters a new word, which is not listed in a
dictionary ( a foreign name, for example), what will he/she do? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4715 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 143 of 192 25 September 2012 at 4:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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remain quiet forever
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5064 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 144 of 192 25 September 2012 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | ||
I asked you seriously. How will they pronounce something like Muirean Nic Amhlaoibh? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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