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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5381 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 65 of 94 22 March 2010 at 4:47pm | IP Logged |
s_allard wrote:
On Saturday, March 20, I saw President Obama make a speech to the Democratic caucus on the eve the historic vote on health care reform. I don't care what one thinks of Obama's politics, but you have to admit that he is a master orator. I would be surprised if this 25 minute speech contained more than 750 different words, maybe even 500. But what a magnificent display of public speaking. Certain words were used over and over again to wonderful effect. |
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If you are refering to this text (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-presiden t-house-democratic-congress), then there were 834 differents words (or 1040 depending on how you count them), on a total of 3752 words. Of course, you can only have so many different words in a 3700 word speech, but still, you can do you lots with a 1000 words.
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| Johntm Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5422 days ago 616 posts - 725 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 66 of 94 23 March 2010 at 5:31am | IP Logged |
robsolete wrote:
s_allard wrote:
I really think most popular articles about vocabulary size and the language of teenagers, including this one, are totally useless. They are usually little more than pretexts to bash teenagers or poor people for their so-called limited vocabulary.
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Ding ding! We have a winner!
The current rage over Netspeak and texting is my favorite example. Some egregious cases are unintelligible, but most are just 'phonetic shortcuts' to otherwise normal sentences. I find it funny that the intellectual classes bark and spittle and demean over the issue instead of, say, wondering if perhaps this is a massive, world-wide call for some serious orthographic reform?
I have a degree in English literature, and I love the largesse of its vocabulary. But regarding a large vocabulary as anything more than a hobby is an inherently classist and downright snobby thing to do. A basic functional vocabulary plus specialized terms for the job in question is all that is really necessary for any job (with the exception of editing of course) and most day to day conversation about real life. The amount of time required to learn intricate vocabulary is a great example of the law of diminishing returns.
One who thinks that their eloquence makes them more qualified, cultured, or of 'higher station' than anyone else is pretty much a fop who is henceforth prevailed upon to osculate my posterior protuberances. Enjoy, as I do, the luxury of your free time and your predisposition to language learning. But don't judge fully functional people for not having the same luxuries or interests. |
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As a teenager, with teenage friends, I can say I hate netspeak and most of us don't use it (hint: those articles in newspapers and online you see have abbreviations that we never use). I leave out commas and forget to capitalize (normally I'm too lazy), but that's not exactly "netspeak."
Also, since I started learning languages, I realized how freaking huge the English language is. So many ways to say one thing.
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| robsolete Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5385 days ago 191 posts - 428 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin
| Message 67 of 94 23 March 2010 at 2:32pm | IP Logged |
Well, that's my point. Many younger people (speaking as a twenty-something) make some shortcuts like 'r u avail 2nite?' on phones to save time, but generally this isn't a huge barrier to intelligibility. Actually I think the increased use of smartphones with thumb keyboards is reversing the trend, since it's becoming less of a hassle to type correctly now. Back in *my* teenage years of brick-sized cellphones, when texting first came out it might take you the better part of two minutes to type 'Are you going to be available tonight?' at which point you could have called the person, asked the question, and make your plans. Defeating the point of sending a text in the first place.
So 'r u avail 2nite?' made sense. But nobody would talk like that or write e-mails like that.
Also, while you are a teenager with teenage friends, you happen to be a statistical outlier who spends time on the internet researching foreign languages. :)
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| GREGORG4000 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5523 days ago 307 posts - 479 votes Speaks: English*, Finnish Studies: Japanese, Korean, Amharic, French
| Message 68 of 94 23 March 2010 at 2:44pm | IP Logged |
Yeah, I leave out capitalization/punctuation all the time, but nothing other than that really. I do use "lol", but only because "haha" gets repetitive.
Edited by GREGORG4000 on 23 March 2010 at 2:44pm
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| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5735 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin
| Message 69 of 94 23 March 2010 at 2:47pm | IP Logged |
GREGORG4000 wrote:
Yeah, I leave out capitalization/punctuation all the time, but nothing other than that really. I do use "lol", but only because "haha" gets repetitive. |
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I use 'lol' all the time. When I speak. No matter what language! :)
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| robsolete Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5385 days ago 191 posts - 428 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin
| Message 70 of 94 23 March 2010 at 3:21pm | IP Logged |
Ha! I know some people who say LMAO or ROFL in person. OMG, FAIL, and WIN! are becoming very popular, and I have heard TL;DR (too long; didn't read). To be a bit of a smart-ass I usually reply OMG ROFLMAO KTHXBYE!
Which brings this picture to memory
I think my favorite is getting JAJAJAJAJAJAJA texts/emails from Spanish-speaking friends, though, because I can't help but read it as English and crack up laughing. In my head it sounds like Arnold Schwartzenegger agreeing very emphatically with something. I have yet to run into the infamous Brazilian HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE though.
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| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5735 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin
| Message 71 of 94 23 March 2010 at 3:27pm | IP Logged |
robsolete wrote:
Ha! I know some people who say LMAO or ROFL in person. OMG, FAIL, and WIN! are becoming very popular, and I have heard TL;DR (too long; didn't read). To be a bit of a smart-ass I usually reply OMG ROFLMAO KTHXBYE!
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In high school, I was in a special IT program, along with a whole bunch of geeks and gamers. You can be pretty sure that we've used every internet acronym in existence in our day to day speech! ;) Some of that vocabulary I'll probably never get out of my system :)
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| robsolete Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5385 days ago 191 posts - 428 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin
| Message 72 of 94 23 March 2010 at 3:30pm | IP Logged |
Somebody needs to do a PhD dissertation on the development of l33tsp34k as an international lingua franca of basement-dwelling nerds around the globe. I won't, but someone should.
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