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| staf250 Pentaglot Senior Member Belgium emmerick.be Joined 5699 days ago 352 posts - 414 votes  Speaks: French, Dutch*, Italian, English, German Studies: Arabic (Written) | Message 57 of 112 10 December 2010 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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Nee. De rivieren en grachten zijn niet dicht gevroren. Er is reeds een lichte dooi. De temperaturen zijn rond
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| numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6785 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 58 of 112 10 December 2010 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hier in Den Haag hebben we een beetje sneeuw gehad de vorige week, maar slechts een paar
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| numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6785 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 59 of 112 04 January 2011 at 3:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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[nl] Things have hit a standstill. I can read a bit now and my intuition for grammar is
basic and probably made reliable with a little focused attention. But my listening comprehension is weak. I can't watch the news and understand more than 50-60%. It's not even single words, I just zone out through whole sentence segments. I can follow Assimil audio perfectly well, but that is after I've read all the dialogs and besides it's very slow. But I'm not having much luck with audio that's wholly new. I'm going to try some L-R and see if that helps. I've never needed it before, but maybe this is just the time for it. If not, watching video might help with visual cues. But I'm not sure I can muster very much of that unless the movie is truly interesting to me. Edited by numerodix on 04 January 2011 at 3:52pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| polyglossia Senior Member FranceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5406 days ago 205 posts - 255 votes Speaks: French* | Message 60 of 112 04 January 2011 at 11:41pm | IP Logged | ||
Ciao Numerodix!! Ti volevo dire che l'uso del articolo si vede anche con il tedesco... "Hallo! hast du die Birgitte heute gesehen?" "Ciao! hai visto (la) Birgitte oggi ?" "Hast du die Francesca tanzen gesehen? Sie ist doch fabelhaft, ne?" "Hai visto la Francesca come balla ? Meravigliosa, no?" Edited by polyglossia on 04 January 2011 at 11:42pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| J S Newbie Netherlands Joined 5107 days ago 25 posts - 31 votes Studies: Irish, English* Studies: French, Dutch | Message 61 of 112 05 January 2011 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | ||
Hi, numerodix. For my January Dutch and Team IJ TAC 2011 challenges, I am using L-R with Harry Potter in Dutch. I have found it to be a good level of language -- not too simple, not too complex -- and the translation matches well with the original English version (more so than the French translation). PM me if you need help sourcing materials. My results so far, only up to chapter 15 of book 1, is surprising listening comprehension. My vocabulary is very poor, of course because I am just beginning, but I am surprised at how comprehensible everyday conversations around me sound. I can pick out familiar words and phrases within quick speech much faster than I was able to in my French studies. I think the trick is really to find good audio material that you can listen with understanding for hours and hours and hours. I have to concentrate and not let my mind wander, so it's not effortless, but I see results. Best luck. :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6785 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 62 of 112 05 January 2011 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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Good to know that it really works!
I don't really like Harry Potter, so I'm going to try using Douglas Adams (I've never read him before, so I'm curious what it's like too). January sure is a busy time around here huh :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6785 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 63 of 112 09 January 2011 at 10:42am | IP Logged | ||
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[nl] Day four of LR. I'm reading the Librivox/Project Gutenberg edition of "De Reis om
de Wereld in 80 Dagen" by Jules Verne: clicky I'm finding it a bit boring and hard to keep my focus on the text, even though the book is not bad. I'm reading it on the screen, which is maybe not ideal, as my mind drifts to other things. Maybe with a book in hand, away from the computer, it would be smoother. The recording is in 12 parts and after I'm done with the parallel reading I'm thinking of listening to the audiobook by itself and see how well I can follow it. I'm trying to detect any possible progress by watching a talk show on tv everyday, and seeing if I can understand more of it. I have the slight impression that I'm doing a bit better now than before I started with LR, but it's frankly too early to say. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6785 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 64 of 112 11 January 2011 at 6:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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[nl] An observation worth mentioning. I have been very nonchalant about learning
vocabulary in my study so far. Far more so than I did with Italian. I used Anki to learn the Assimil content, but since then I've stopped using it. A week or two ago I thought about going back to Livemocha.com and see if the Dutch lessons there wouldn't be useful to pick up any basic knowledge that might have slipped through the cracks. But I was reminded of how I don't like the setup of their courses, it isn't fun to me. More generally, the thing I really can't stand is precisely the systematic learning of words for things. At no point in my Dutch study did I even learn the words for shirt, pants, jacket etc. They've come to me through reading, and only then did I look some of them up to figure out which piece of clothing it is. But I already knew it was clothing. I welcome things like exclamations and expressions, those can be clever. But I know there must be a word for pants and I have absolutely no burning need to know. It's not remotely the first thing I need to say in a new language either. It might seem odd that I have this kind of disdain for the simple learning of names of objects. But I think this has quite a bit to do with my lack of success with language learning in the past. A great many language courses are set up this way, because it requires no real methodology. You just list a bunch of common items with their translation and that's it. It's so easy, you can even include a picture like Rosetta Stone does. Incidentally, the Dutch names of clothes are bizarre and pretty unguessable: broek - pants hemd - shirt jas - coat pak - suit 1 person has voted this message useful |
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