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Adamdm
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 Message 33 of 70
21 June 2010 at 3:10am | IP Logged 
TixhiiDon wrote:
... almost every character has multiple readings in Japanese, so the fundamental concept of "knowing" a character is completely different and much more complex in Japanese than in Chinese.

Japanese people must learn not only how to write and recognize 木, for example, but also that 木 is read "ki" when it stands alone, "moku" in compounds such as 木曜日, "boku" in other compounds, and "ko" in others. And the same applies to the vast majority of those 2000 to 3000 characters ...


Agreed, this makes things difficult for those of us learning Japanese as a foreign language. For native Japanese, however, they have learned their own language aurally first (like children everywhere learn _their_ native language). If they know the meaning of a kanji, then they will know how to read out a sentence containing it, because they would know how to express the meaning of that sentence orally.

For the Japanese, Kanji are in fact much more 'ideographic' than Hanzi are for Chinese. When a kanji is written and to be pronounced in its 'kun' sound, then it is just a symbol.
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noriyuki_nomura
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 Message 34 of 70
21 June 2010 at 11:21am | IP Logged 
Setsu?

TixhiiDon wrote:
I have a friend called 摂. Any guesses as to the pronunciation?

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Yukamina
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 Message 35 of 70
21 June 2010 at 7:07pm | IP Logged 
Some of you have given kanji like 木,日, and 生 as examples of how Japanese kanji each have several readings...but I find this information is misleading. Those kanji are very common and common kanji tend to have more readings. I think most kanji have 1-3 readings.
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TixhiiDon
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 Message 36 of 70
22 June 2010 at 12:09am | IP Logged 
Nope, not Setsu!
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kidshomestunner
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 Message 37 of 70
26 June 2010 at 8:48pm | IP Logged 
noriyuki_nomura wrote:
Setsu?

TixhiiDon wrote:
I have a friend called 摂. Any guesses as to the pronunciation?


educated guess: おさむ
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TixhiiDon
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 Message 38 of 70
27 June 2010 at 12:01am | IP Logged 
And the top prize goes to Kidshomestunner...

You are hereby awarded a year's free subscription to my language learning log Small
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Yep, it is indeed おさむ. I have yet to hear a Japanese person pronounce his name
correctly first time so allow yourself a big head for the day mate.
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Ichiro
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 Message 40 of 70
13 July 2010 at 12:49pm | IP Logged 
pkany wrote:
Many people even think Min sounds like Japanese.


Blimey! Who thinks this?


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