Adamdm Groupie Australia Joined 5438 days ago 62 posts - 89 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Japanese, Dari, German, Spanish, Russian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 33 of 70 21 June 2010 at 3:10am | IP Logged |
TixhiiDon wrote:
... almost every character has multiple readings in Japanese, so the fundamental concept of "knowing" a character is completely different and much more complex in Japanese than in Chinese.
Japanese people must learn not only how to write and recognize 木, for example, but also that 木 is read "ki" when it stands alone, "moku" in compounds such as 木曜日, "boku" in other compounds, and "ko" in others. And the same applies to the vast majority of those 2000 to 3000 characters ... |
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Agreed, this makes things difficult for those of us learning Japanese as a foreign language. For native Japanese, however, they have learned their own language aurally first (like children everywhere learn _their_ native language). If they know the meaning of a kanji, then they will know how to read out a sentence containing it, because they would know how to express the meaning of that sentence orally.
For the Japanese, Kanji are in fact much more 'ideographic' than Hanzi are for Chinese. When a kanji is written and to be pronounced in its 'kun' sound, then it is just a symbol.
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noriyuki_nomura Bilingual Octoglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 5341 days ago 304 posts - 465 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Japanese, FrenchC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, SpanishB2, DutchB1 Studies: TurkishA1, Korean
| Message 34 of 70 21 June 2010 at 11:21am | IP Logged |
Setsu?
TixhiiDon wrote:
I have a friend called 摂. Any guesses as to the pronunciation? |
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Yukamina Senior Member Canada Joined 6265 days ago 281 posts - 332 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean, French
| Message 35 of 70 21 June 2010 at 7:07pm | IP Logged |
Some of you have given kanji like 木,日, and 生 as examples of how Japanese kanji each have several readings...but I find this information is misleading. Those kanji are very common and common kanji tend to have more readings. I think most kanji have 1-3 readings.
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TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5465 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian
| Message 36 of 70 22 June 2010 at 12:09am | IP Logged |
Nope, not Setsu!
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kidshomestunner Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6406 days ago 239 posts - 285 votes Speaks: Japanese
| Message 37 of 70 26 June 2010 at 8:48pm | IP Logged |
noriyuki_nomura wrote:
Setsu?
TixhiiDon wrote:
I have a friend called 摂. Any guesses as to the pronunciation? |
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educated guess: おさむ
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TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5465 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian
| Message 38 of 70 27 June 2010 at 12:01am | IP Logged |
And the top prize goes to Kidshomestunner...
You are hereby awarded a year's free subscription to my language learning log Small
Expectations.
Yep, it is indeed おさむ. I have yet to hear a Japanese person pronounce his name
correctly first time so allow yourself a big head for the day mate.
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Ichiro Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6210 days ago 111 posts - 152 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, French Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Korean, Malay
| Message 40 of 70 13 July 2010 at 12:49pm | IP Logged |
pkany wrote:
Many people even think Min sounds like Japanese. |
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Blimey! Who thinks this?
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