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Phantom Kat
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Speaks: Spanish*, English
Studies: Finnish

 
 Message 65 of 94
17 January 2011 at 5:13am | IP Logged 
Starting in kindergarten, I began to learn English in my classes where Spanish was the primary language of communication and work, since all the kids were Hispanic and only knew Spanish. These ESL classes lasted until 3rd grade. Fourth grade, English was the only language used in classes, and Spanish has completely disappeared.

I'm in my last year of high school right now, and you need two years of a foreign language to graduate, three if you want to graduate distinguished. Guess what's the only foreign language available? Spanish; they took French out a year before I got in. It pains me to think that as I sit in class, learning my native language for the second time, some other high school senior is completing his third or fourth year of German or French. ;-;

Next year in college, I plan on taking German, though I wouldn't be surprised if I chose something else. Unlike my high school, there's so many to take that I'm like a kid in a candy store.

Look: <3

http://www.laits.utexas.edu/languages/

- Kat

Edited by Phantom Kat on 17 January 2011 at 5:23am

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Sh'Naya
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Germany
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Speaks: German*, English
Studies: Spanish, Japanese, French

 
 Message 66 of 94
19 January 2011 at 12:35am | IP Logged 
I attended different schools in Germany and therefore couldn't continue Russian and wasn't allowed to begin Spanish as I had planned.

- English - from grade 3 - 13 (compulsory) (School 1-4)
- French - from grade 7 - 9 (compulsory) (School 2)
             - grade 10 (not compulsory, different school) (School 3)
             - grade 11 (compulsory) (School 4)
- Russian - grade 9 (not compulsory, School 2)

School 2 offered:
grade 5: English (compulsory)
grade 7: French or Latin (compulsory)
grade 9: French, Spanish, Russian, Italien or Latin
grade 11: same as grade 9

School 3 offered:
English and French. Turkish, Russian and a lot of other language courses were only for native speakers. Only English had to be learned.

School 4:
grade 5: English or French (compulsory)
grade 7: English or French or Spanish (compulsory)


If it hadn't been for the awful teachers, I'd glady attended school 2 until grade 13 (Abitur or A-Level). However, I think it's a very good idea to offer French instead of English as the first foreign language. It's much easier to learn English than French since you simply can't escape it.

By the way, I know several University students who can't speak English. They never had it in school. They learned Latin, ancient Greek and sometimes another dead language.

Edited by Sh'Naya on 19 January 2011 at 12:40am

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William Camden
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 Message 67 of 94
20 January 2011 at 1:11pm | IP Logged 
nuriayasmin wrote:
Desacrator48 wrote:
nuriayasmin wrote:
When I went to school, English was taught from class 5 on. My children had English lessons in primary school, too (class 1 - 4) but were taught the basics again in class 5. The second foreign language is normally French or Latin and if you decide to study a third one, you may either do French if you had chosen Latin as your second foreign language or Latin if you're already studying French or you can do Spanish. Some schools also offer Russian (especially in East Germany), Italian or Chinese but that's not very common. English - French - Latin - Spanish are the languages which are normally taught at German schools but only English is compulsory for every pupil.


Serious question but only because I don't know, but is English compulsory for every German pupil because they won the war? I imagine the reverse would be true if things had gone differently. If not could someone explain why?



English only became compulsory for all pupils in the middle of the 1960's. Before English was taught to all pupils in some states (Bundesländer) only. Pupils in Hamburg had English lessons as early as 1870 but my father who was born in 1948 in North Rhine-Westphalia never learnt English at school. It also depends on the school type how many languages are offered. In most German states pupils only attend the same school until the age of 10. Afterwards pupils with bad grades go to a school where only English is taught. Those with average grades attend a school where English is taught and French may be chosen as a second foreign language. Those with good grades go to a school where they have to learn at least two foreign languages. There are also comprehensive schools which include all three school types but the differences remain after all. (I don't like to group pupils by bad, average and good grades but unfortunately that's how it works).

As for me, I attended a school for pupils with average grades, did English and French and after I had finished that school I continued my education at a school for pupils with good grades and eventuelly finished school with the option to go to university. My son also attends that second type of school but learns only English because he hates languages. My daughter attends a private bilingual school so she has normal English lessons but last school year her history and geography classes were also taught in English. The subjects which are taught in English change every school year. So her English is pretty good but as her teachers are all German she finds it difficult to understand English when she talks to native speakers.


I posted about this before on the forum, but it seems to me that prior to the 1960s, knowledge of English was not that widespread among Germans. An indication of this came in 1944. The Germans put out a call for English-speaking volunteers to dress up in US Army uniforms and infiltrate behind enemy lines as part of the Battle of the Bulge in December that year. There were many volunteers, but of them, only about 10 were found to be genuinely fluent in the English language, to the point that they could use American slang well and do a reasonable imitation of American accents. Many of the other volunteers spoke a little, heavily-accented English, enough to mark them out as infiltrators if they actually opened their mouths, and some had a command of English limited to the words "yes" and "no". So plans had to be scaled back and many of the infiltrators were instructed to say nothing if questioned, and leave the talking to one member of the team who did have a reasonable grasp of English.
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starrye
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 Message 68 of 94
20 January 2011 at 5:38pm | IP Logged 
I'm American and I took Spanish, French, and Latin in high school, and also studied some Russian on my own, independently. Unfortunately I'm not fluent in any of these now, and did not have very good resources when I was teaching myself Russian, so I didn't stick with it long term.

Spanish and French were very common at my school. Latin was a bit unusual, and so my class size was very small--mostly girls, and mostly good students. But these were the only 3 choices available at at my high school. Foreign language instruction didn't even start until Junior High. My middle school had two choice-- Spanish or French. They were all electives and were not required for graduation at that time. This was in the mid to late 90s.
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Magdalla
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 Message 69 of 94
25 January 2011 at 6:43pm | IP Logged 
I learned Irish (and of course English) in National School (Public Junior School in Ireland), Irish, Latin, French and Spanish in secondary school, and Latin, Spanish, Italian and German at university level.
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Préposition
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 Message 70 of 94
25 January 2011 at 6:57pm | IP Logged 
I started English at 8 with casual and fun lessons. At 11, the lessons started to be more serious and we really got into learning things. At 12, I started Latin, at 13 I picked Italian, at 14 I dropped Latin and took Ancient Greek instead. At 15, I dropped Ancient Greek and picked Russian, to eventually drop it at 17, and start again at 18, at university, alongside Arabic.
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chewmeup
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 Message 71 of 94
07 February 2011 at 1:51pm | IP Logged 
It's interesting that having some other language than English as completely compulsory, for every pupil, seems to be rare. In Finland we have that, since we have to study English but also Swedish. Not as much, but for at least three years everyone is required to do it. In elementary school we have only English, but some schools also offer other languages to start earlier. Normally English begins at class 3 (age 9), but I started German first and English only at class 5. I think some schools offer Swedish and French for kids too, but it's rare. Swedish becomes mandatory at class 7, and for the last three mandatory years of school everyone has to do it. Since I went to upper seccondary school/high school, I've had to continue it, and have only recently started to actually appreciate it. Most kids absolutely hate it, they feel that it's useless and a waste of time.

Any other languages are extra, but most secondary and upper secondary schools offer others too. Starting German is common, especially in secondary school. In upper secondary schools you can often study languages like French, German, Russian, Spanish, Latin, Italian... But mostly it's just French and German. In my upper secondary school, there isn't even a French class beginning every year.

So I studied German for seven years (didn't help much, I remember mostly verbs but can't really understand it at all, so it's useless unless I study a lot more), I study English for seven and a half years now (school hasn't helped much with that, I've learned it on my own through tv and so on). Swedish I've been studying for four and a half years, and it's better than my German but definitely not fluent (yet!); learning the language outside the class is not easy since I don't live near the coast where most of the Swedish-speaking people live in Finland. I started French in upper secondary, but since I only studied it for two years, it's in a bad shape.

Having studied many languages but only having one that is really fluent, I can't say that languages are the strong point of education in Finland. Teachers are always Finnish, and so Finnish is used in class A LOT. Everyone learns the basics but without personal interest that's it. There's also been a lot of discussion lately about Swedish. Many feel that it shouldn't have the position of a language mandatory for all. In the future, Russian is believed to be important especially in the Eastern parts of the country and that leads to a lot of political discussion that will never end...

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jdmoncada
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Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Finnish
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 Message 72 of 94
16 February 2011 at 6:35am | IP Logged 
I studied English (as a native language), Spanish and Russian during public school. When I went to university, I studied Spanish (again), German and Finnish.


Interestingly to me, my high school in Lafayette, Indiana, offered 5 different foreign languages. I'd never heard of that from other places. The languages there were Russian (of course), Spanish, German, French and Japanese.


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