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 Message 81 of 95
17 October 2010 at 3:36pm | IP Logged 
aemilia wrote:
I watched a lecture by Andrew Pudewa

i watche- a lectur- by andrew pudewa ( publis--- homesc---- writin- course- ) who was in japan learni-- to teach the suzuki method. he believ-- in the import---- of memori------ and imitat---, and he asked his japane-- langua-- instru---- to read a japane-- copy of a book ( i think it was jack in the beanst--- ). he then memori--- the book using the suzuki method. (i'm not a suzuki person, but i believ- he review-- all previo-- materi-- and then added the new materi-- to that. so review- would take progre------- longer ). in additi-- to being able to entert--- japane-- childr-- ( lol ) he found his abilit- to form correc- japane-- senten--- was greatl- improv--. he could take the senten-- struct---- and use the words he needed. ( obviou--- he did more than memori-- a book, but it did help him ). i'm really consid----- doing this in spanis-. and i love the first letter prompt-. what a great idea.

i watch-- a lectu-- by andre- pudew- ( publi---- homes----- writi-- cours-- ) who was in japan learn--- to teach the suzuk- metho-. he belie--- in the impor----- of memor------- and imita----, and he asked his japan--- langu--- instr----- to read a japan--- copy of a book ( i think it was jack in the beans---- ). he then memor---- the book using the suzuk- metho-. (i'm not a suzuk- perso-, but i belie-- he revie--- all previ--- mater--- and then added the new mater--- to that. so revie-- would take progr-------- longe- ). in addit--- to being able to enter---- japan--- child--- ( lol ) he found his abili-- to form corre-- japan--- sente---- was great-- impro---. he could take the sente--- struc----- and use the words he neede-. ( obvio---- he did more than memor--- a book, but it did help him ). i'm reall- consi------ doing this in spani--. and i love the first lette- promp--. what a great idea.

i watc--- a lect--- by andr-- pude-- ( publ----- home------ writ--- cour--- ) who was in japa- lear---- to teac- the suzu-- meth--. he beli---- in the impo------ of memo-------- and imit-----, and he aske- his japa---- lang---- inst------ to read a japa---- copy of a book ( i thin- it was jack in the bean----- ). he then memo----- the book usin- the suzu-- meth--. (i'm not a suzu-- pers--, but i beli--- he revi---- all prev---- mate---- and then adde- the new mate---- to that. so revi--- woul- take prog--------- long-- ). in addi---- to bein- able to ente----- japa---- chil---- ( lol ) he foun- his abil--- to form corr--- japa---- sent----- was grea--- impr----. he coul- take the sent---- stru------ and use the word- he need--. ( obvi----- he did more than memo---- a book, but it did help him ). i'm real-- cons------- doin- this in span---. and i love the firs- lett-- prom---. what a grea- idea.

i wat---- a lec---- by and--- pud--- ( pub------ hom------- wri---- cou---- ) who was in jap-- lea----- to tea-- the suz--- met---. he bel----- in the imp------- of mem--------- and imi------, and he ask-- his jap----- lan----- ins------- to rea- a jap----- cop- of a boo- ( i thi-- it was jac- in the bea------ ). he the- mem------ the boo- usi-- the suz--- met---. (i'- not a suz--- per---, but i bel---- he rev----- all pre----- mat----- and the- add-- the new mat----- to tha-. so rev---- wou-- tak- pro---------- lon--- ). in add----- to bei-- abl- to ent------ jap----- chi----- ( lol ) he fou-- his abi---- to for- cor---- jap----- sen------ was gre---- imp-----. he cou-- tak- the sen----- str------- and use the wor-- he nee---. ( obv------ he did mor- tha- mem----- a boo-, but it did hel- him ). i'm rea--- con-------- doi-- thi- in spa----. and i lov- the fir-- let--- pro----. wha- a gre-- ide-.

i wa----- a le----- by an---- pu---- ( pu------- ho-------- wr----- co----- ) wh- wa- in ja--- le------ to te--- th- su---- me----. he be------ in th- im-------- of me---------- an- im-------, an- he as--- hi- ja------ la------ in-------- to re-- a ja------ co-- of a bo-- ( i th--- it wa- ja-- in th- be------- ). he th-- me------- th- bo-- us--- th- su---- me----. (i-- no- a su---- pe----, bu- i be----- he re------ al- pr------ ma------ an- th-- ad--- th- ne- ma------ to th--. so re----- wo--- ta-- pr----------- lo---- ). in ad------ to be--- ab-- to en------- ja------ ch------ ( lo- ) he fo--- hi- ab----- to fo-- co----- ja------ se------- wa- gr----- im------. he co--- ta-- th- se------ st-------- an- us- th- wo--- he ne----. ( ob------- he di- mo-- th-- me------ a bo--, bu- it di- he-- hi- ). i'- re---- co--------- do--- th-- in sp-----. an- i lo-- th- fi--- le---- pr-----. wh-- a gr--- id--.

i w------ a l------ b- a----- p----- ( p-------- h--------- w------ c------ ) w-- w-- i- j---- l------- t- t---- t-- s----- m-----. h- b------- i- t-- i--------- o- m----------- a-- i--------, a-- h- a---- h-- j------- l------- i--------- t- r--- a j------- c--- o- a b--- ( i t---- i- w-- j--- i- t-- b-------- ). h- t--- m-------- t-- b--- u---- t-- s----- m-----. (--- n-- a s----- p-----, b-- i b------ h- r------- a-- p------- m------- a-- t--- a---- t-- n-- m------- t- t---. s- r------ w---- t--- p------------ l----- ). i- a------- t- b---- a--- t- e-------- j------- c------- ( l-- ) h- f---- h-- a------ t- f--- c------ j------- s-------- w-- g------ i-------. h- c---- t--- t-- s------- s--------- a-- u-- t-- w---- h- n-----. ( o-------- h- d-- m--- t--- m------- a b---, b-- i- d-- h--- h-- ). i-- r----- c---------- d---- t--- i- s------. a-- i l--- t-- f---- l----- p------. w--- a g---- i---.

i w a l b a p ( p h w c ) w w i j l t t t s m. h b i t i o m a i, a h a h j l i t r a j c o a b ( i t i w j i t b ). h t m t b u t s m. ( n a s p, b i b h r a p m a t a t n m t t. s r w t p l ). i a t b a t e j c ( l ) h f h a t f c j s w g i. h c t t s s a u t w h n. ( o h d m t m a b, b i d h h ). i r c d t i s. a i l t f l p. w a g i.

wtchd lctr by ndrw pdw ( pblshs hmschl wrtng crss ) wh ws n jpn lrnng t tch th szk mthd. h blvs n th mprtnc f mmrztn nd mttn, nd h skd hs jpns lngg nstrctr t rd jpns cpy f bk ( thnk t ws jck n th bnstlk ). h thn mmrzd th bk sng th szk mthd. ('m nt szk prsn, bt blv h rvwd ll prvs mtrl nd thn ddd th nw mtrl t tht. s rvws wld tk prgrssvly lngr ). n ddtn t bng bl t ntrtn jpns chldrn ( ll ) h fnd hs blty t frm crrct jpns sntncs ws grtly mprvd. h cld tk th sntnc strctrs nd s th wrds h ndd. ( bvsly h dd mr thn mmrz bk, bt t dd hlp hm ). 'm rlly cnsdrng dng ths n spnsh. nd lv th frst lttr prmpts. wht grt d.

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 Message 82 of 95
17 October 2010 at 6:21pm | IP Logged 

Ha ha! Nice experience, tommus.

I've memorized the post just after reading it 8 times using your method.

Quote:
wtchd lctr by ndrw pdw ( pblshs hmschl wrtng crss ) wh ws n jpn lrnng t tch th
szk mthd. h blvs n th mprtnc f mmrztn nd mttn, nd h skd hs jpns lngg nstrctr t rd jpns
cpy f bk ( thnk t ws jck n th bnstlk ). h thn mmrzd th bk sng th szk mthd. ('m nt szk
prsn, bt blv h rvwd ll prvs mtrl nd thn ddd th nw mtrl t tht. s rvws wld tk prgrssvly
lngr ). n ddtn t bng bl t ntrtn jpns chldrn ( ll ) h fnd hs blty t frm crrct jpns
sntncs ws grtly mprvd. h cld tk th sntnc strctrs nd s th wrds h ndd. ( bvsly h dd mr
thn mmrz bk, bt t dd hlp hm ). 'm rlly cnsdrng dng ths n spnsh. nd lv th frst lttr
prmpts. wht grt d.


I think this one is the easiest to recall. Not difficult at all, even at the first
time.


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slucido
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 Message 83 of 95
08 January 2011 at 6:19pm | IP Logged 
tommus wrote:
aemilia wrote:
I watched a lecture by Andrew Pudewa

i watche- a lectur- by andrew pudewa ( publis--- homesc---- writin- course- ) who was in japan learni-- to teach the suzuki method. he believ-- in the import---- of memori------ and imitat---, and he asked his japane-- langua-- instru---- to read a japane-- copy of a book ( i think it was jack in the beanst--- ). he then memori--- the book using the suzuki method. (i'm not a suzuki person, but i believ- he review-- all previo-- materi-- and then added the new materi-- to that. so review- would take progre------- longer ). in additi-- to being able to entert--- japane-- childr-- ( lol ) he found his abilit- to form correc- japane-- senten--- was greatl- improv--. he could take the senten-- struct---- and use the words he needed. ( obviou--- he did more than memori-- a book, but it did help him ). i'm really consid----- doing this in spanis-. and i love the first letter prompt-. what a great idea.

i watch-- a lectu-- by andre- pudew- ( publi---- homes----- writi-- cours-- ) who was in japan learn--- to teach the suzuk- metho-. he belie--- in the impor----- of memor------- and imita----, and he asked his japan--- langu--- instr----- to read a japan--- copy of a book ( i think it was jack in the beans---- ). he then memor---- the book using the suzuk- metho-. (i'm not a suzuk- perso-, but i belie-- he revie--- all previ--- mater--- and then added the new mater--- to that. so revie-- would take progr-------- longe- ). in addit--- to being able to enter---- japan--- child--- ( lol ) he found his abili-- to form corre-- japan--- sente---- was great-- impro---. he could take the sente--- struc----- and use the words he neede-. ( obvio---- he did more than memor--- a book, but it did help him ). i'm reall- consi------ doing this in spani--. and i love the first lette- promp--. what a great idea.

i watc--- a lect--- by andr-- pude-- ( publ----- home------ writ--- cour--- ) who was in japa- lear---- to teac- the suzu-- meth--. he beli---- in the impo------ of memo-------- and imit-----, and he aske- his japa---- lang---- inst------ to read a japa---- copy of a book ( i thin- it was jack in the bean----- ). he then memo----- the book usin- the suzu-- meth--. (i'm not a suzu-- pers--, but i beli--- he revi---- all prev---- mate---- and then adde- the new mate---- to that. so revi--- woul- take prog--------- long-- ). in addi---- to bein- able to ente----- japa---- chil---- ( lol ) he foun- his abil--- to form corr--- japa---- sent----- was grea--- impr----. he coul- take the sent---- stru------ and use the word- he need--. ( obvi----- he did more than memo---- a book, but it did help him ). i'm real-- cons------- doin- this in span---. and i love the firs- lett-- prom---. what a grea- idea.

i wat---- a lec---- by and--- pud--- ( pub------ hom------- wri---- cou---- ) who was in jap-- lea----- to tea-- the suz--- met---. he bel----- in the imp------- of mem--------- and imi------, and he ask-- his jap----- lan----- ins------- to rea- a jap----- cop- of a boo- ( i thi-- it was jac- in the bea------ ). he the- mem------ the boo- usi-- the suz--- met---. (i'- not a suz--- per---, but i bel---- he rev----- all pre----- mat----- and the- add-- the new mat----- to tha-. so rev---- wou-- tak- pro---------- lon--- ). in add----- to bei-- abl- to ent------ jap----- chi----- ( lol ) he fou-- his abi---- to for- cor---- jap----- sen------ was gre---- imp-----. he cou-- tak- the sen----- str------- and use the wor-- he nee---. ( obv------ he did mor- tha- mem----- a boo-, but it did hel- him ). i'm rea--- con-------- doi-- thi- in spa----. and i lov- the fir-- let--- pro----. wha- a gre-- ide-.

i wa----- a le----- by an---- pu---- ( pu------- ho-------- wr----- co----- ) wh- wa- in ja--- le------ to te--- th- su---- me----. he be------ in th- im-------- of me---------- an- im-------, an- he as--- hi- ja------ la------ in-------- to re-- a ja------ co-- of a bo-- ( i th--- it wa- ja-- in th- be------- ). he th-- me------- th- bo-- us--- th- su---- me----. (i-- no- a su---- pe----, bu- i be----- he re------ al- pr------ ma------ an- th-- ad--- th- ne- ma------ to th--. so re----- wo--- ta-- pr----------- lo---- ). in ad------ to be--- ab-- to en------- ja------ ch------ ( lo- ) he fo--- hi- ab----- to fo-- co----- ja------ se------- wa- gr----- im------. he co--- ta-- th- se------ st-------- an- us- th- wo--- he ne----. ( ob------- he di- mo-- th-- me------ a bo--, bu- it di- he-- hi- ). i'- re---- co--------- do--- th-- in sp-----. an- i lo-- th- fi--- le---- pr-----. wh-- a gr--- id--.

i w------ a l------ b- a----- p----- ( p-------- h--------- w------ c------ ) w-- w-- i- j---- l------- t- t---- t-- s----- m-----. h- b------- i- t-- i--------- o- m----------- a-- i--------, a-- h- a---- h-- j------- l------- i--------- t- r--- a j------- c--- o- a b--- ( i t---- i- w-- j--- i- t-- b-------- ). h- t--- m-------- t-- b--- u---- t-- s----- m-----. (--- n-- a s----- p-----, b-- i b------ h- r------- a-- p------- m------- a-- t--- a---- t-- n-- m------- t- t---. s- r------ w---- t--- p------------ l----- ). i- a------- t- b---- a--- t- e-------- j------- c------- ( l-- ) h- f---- h-- a------ t- f--- c------ j------- s-------- w-- g------ i-------. h- c---- t--- t-- s------- s--------- a-- u-- t-- w---- h- n-----. ( o-------- h- d-- m--- t--- m------- a b---, b-- i- d-- h--- h-- ). i-- r----- c---------- d---- t--- i- s------. a-- i l--- t-- f---- l----- p------. w--- a g---- i---.


tommus, this is very interesting. I didn't read your example.
How did you do this?




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 Message 84 of 95
08 January 2011 at 8:17pm | IP Logged 
slucido wrote:
How did you do this?

I did it with a small Java program that just manipulates the words a bit. It was a bit tedious to get everything to work right, but the program is quite small. I could send you the Java source code. You could probably convert it to another language without too much difficulty. I just run it in the development environment. I probably could make an executable version.


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 Message 85 of 95
08 January 2011 at 8:35pm | IP Logged 
tommus wrote:
slucido wrote:
How did you do this?

I did it with a small Java program that just manipulates the words a bit. It was a bit tedious to get everything to work right, but the program is quite small. I could send you the Java source code. You could probably convert it to another language without too much difficulty. I just run it in the development environment. I probably could make an executable version.



I would like to try it with short English texts. I think the idea is wonderful. I don't know anything about Java. I hope it is easy to use. Please send it to me. Thank you.

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 Message 86 of 95
24 January 2011 at 2:49pm | IP Logged 
slucido wrote:
Andy E wrote:
slucido wrote:
I have read in this forum that some people learn by heart the Assimil course. Maybe it's worth it. I don't know.


That's something I'm attempting to do at the moment with Assimil Italian without Toil and German without Toil. Time will tell whether it's worth it. I found the article you posted when I was researching techniques for memorising texts, so it was interesting to note some anecdotal evidence for its usefulness.

Edit: One immediate benefit to the memorisation is that Shadowing is much easier.


Do you use any specific technique to memorize by heart every Assimil chapter?



I like the Gianni Golfera System. It's the same system used by Matteo Ricci and Giacomo Bruno... a particular type of memory technique for memorizing pieces word by word.
Gianni is incredible, he knows by heart 261 books and can learn any other after reading it once or hearing someone else read it to him .
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 Message 87 of 95
24 January 2011 at 3:49pm | IP Logged 
Cammela wrote:

I like the Gianni Golfera System. It's the same system used by Matteo Ricci and Giacomo Bruno... a particular type of memory technique for memorizing pieces word by word.
Gianni is incredible, he knows by heart 261 books and can learn any other after reading it once or hearing someone else read it to him .


I know about Giani Golfera, but I don't know what specific techniques he uses.




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 Message 88 of 95
25 January 2011 at 5:34am | IP Logged 
slucido wrote:
Cammela wrote:

I like the Gianni Golfera System. It's the same system used by Matteo Ricci and Giacomo Bruno... a particular type of memory technique for memorizing pieces word by word.
Gianni is incredible, he knows by heart 261 books and can learn any other after reading it once or hearing someone else read it to him .


I know about Giani Golfera, but I don't know what specific techniques he uses.





He use the method of loci and a coding system similiar to PVO for the combination of IPA sounds. Sure, at the beginning it's a little difficult to get used to, but after a few days, it will become second nature.

Edited by Cammela on 25 January 2011 at 6:41am


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