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| Lucas Pentaglot Groupie Switzerland Joined 5168 days ago 85 posts - 130 votes  Speaks: French*, English, German, Italian, Russian Studies: Mandarin | Message 9 of 80 16 October 2010 at 5:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'd like to follow you in your discussion about Italian and Spanish, but I'll answer
the main question first: No...and I would say that a native level for the language of the mother, language of the father and language of the school is already a overoptimistic goal. The multilinguism of children is almost always an illusion: the "multilingual" children never speak the "home" language as good as the "school" one. For a child, the home language is an artificial language that nobody speaks in the "real" world. That's why they almost always use the "school" language when responding to a "home language" speaking parents. Kids are not language freaks like us, they don't care about the home language...as cainteer already said, "they reject multilinguism to fit with their peers". Moreover, most of those children never learn to write properly the "home" language. Under these conditions, the competences in the "home" language is almost always a lot lower than the "school" one. And if there is two "home" languages, thoses competences can be even lower! But for your friend's child they won't be any problem for English, because he will learn it in school. For Italian, I hope the familiy goes at least once a year in Italy, so the kid can practice Italian with the family! :) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Ikarias Triglot Newbie Spain multilinguae.wordpreRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6032 days ago 29 posts - 36 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanB1 Studies: ItalianA2, DutchA2, FrenchA2, Mandarin | Message 10 of 80 16 October 2010 at 5:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Well, since I´m a native speaker of Spanish and I study Italian I can tell that they´re not mutually intelligible. As well as Spanish/Portuguese, Catalan, Gallego, etc. The thing is that is very easy to get used to their paces and vocabulary because they´re brothers.
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| ReneeMona Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5336 days ago 864 posts - 1274 votes Speaks: Dutch*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 11 of 80 16 October 2010 at 8:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
This might be a stupid question but I can't resist; what are you talking about? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 12 of 80 16 October 2010 at 9:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I have done.
So what? The fact that words like "femur" and "appendicitis" are practically identical is pretty irrelevant. If you can't understand everyday speech like "he was going to do it" (Stava per farlo vs iba a hacerlo), they are not "mutually intelligible" languages.
Yes, that's because they're different languages. The term "dialect" is used politically in Italy to attempt to reduce the diversity. Remember that Italy is one of the youngest countries in Europe -- two hundred years ago, everyone was working to the standards of the courts in their own city-states. Now, back to my point. The argument goes that while languages similar to your own are easy to start learning, they are very hard to master, because it's actually harder to separate them than completely different languages. So for example, I'll often say "vado a farlo" because of interference from French and Spanish, but I'd be unlikely to attempt that same construction in something like Basque, Japanese or Swahili, because these languages don't activate the French or Spanish-speaking parts of my brain. Anyway this isn't my own opinion. I'll find some sources to back me up. [/QUOTE] 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| BiaHuda Triglot Groupie Vietnam Joined 5364 days ago 97 posts - 127 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Vietnamese Studies: Cantonese | Message 13 of 80 16 October 2010 at 9:18pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't want to sound insensitive, however; I see you are from the Nethelands. My Uncle Alan died in Operation Market Garden. Nuff Sed 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ReneeMona Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5336 days ago 864 posts - 1274 votes Speaks: Dutch*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 14 of 80 16 October 2010 at 11:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yeah, I assumed you were referring to WWII but I wondered what that has to do with adults teaching a child multiple languages. Edited by ReneeMona on 16 October 2010 at 11:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| John Smith Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6043 days ago 396 posts - 542 votes Speaks: English*, Czech*, Spanish Studies: German | Message 15 of 80 17 October 2010 at 1:51am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I don't think you people understand the definition of mutually intelligible. It is never 100%. If it were it would be the same language.
You could using your logic argue that US English and Australian English are not mutually intelligible. Let me give you an example. Garbage belongs in a trash can not on the sidewalk Rubbish belongs in a bin not on the footpath (Australian) I am not suggesting that Italian is the same as Spanish. I was joking when I said that. What I am saying is that they are sufficiently similar to be considered dialects of the same language. The reason they are not is the fact that they are spoken in two different countries. A language is a dialect with an army and navy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_language_is_a_dialect_with_an _army_and_navy
^^ Since the two languages are so different I guess it must be really hard for you to read Italian. So many different words. So many different grammatical constructions. It will probably take you years before you can read an Italian newspaper. Good luck. Edited by John Smith on 17 October 2010 at 1:56am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| DaisyMaisy Senior Member United States Joined 5381 days ago 115 posts - 178 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish Studies: Swedish, Finnish | Message 16 of 80 17 October 2010 at 4:42am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Wow, are there a lot of new trolls on this forum?
Or are there that many rabidly defensive and weird people out there? Good grief. 7 persons have voted this message useful |
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