|
 |
MT German Case System | ||
Share with:
| ||
 Language Learning Forum : Language Programs, Books & Tapes |  | |
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5782 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 17 of 60 21 November 2010 at 11:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
I should say so! Nevertheless I still think we should ALSO have a pdf, since by printing it off you have a very low-tech add-on to your MT German Course. As someone in a minimum-wage job who hasn't always had his own laptop and only recently got internet access at home (because my flatmate got it, and let me in for just 10 pounds per month) I really want less well-off people such as myself to be able to print it off at their local library and use it at home. But for those with internet access at home your idea seems great to me! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7102 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 18 of 60 21 November 2010 at 11:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
4)If the noun is not preceded by some word (such as “the” or “this” or “a”) that shows which pronoun it is replacing then the adjective has to do it Martin, I thought that was what you were getting at but wanted to be sure because you'd included the indefinite article in the rule and that bit should probably be reworked slightly. I ended up reading it as only applying to cases where the adjective stands alone - IIRC Hammer refers to it as "mixed" and "strong" declensions. Andy.
There's a lot of credit due here and you shouldn't be apologising for anything... ...someone needs to be in charge! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5782 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 19 of 60 22 November 2010 at 12:40am | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, what I wrote was very ambiguous, a bad thing in a lesson! I think it needs to be totally re-written. I'm probably off work tomorrow, so I'll have a go tonight, but please have a go too, then by comparing our two efforts we might come up with something better than either. I'm rather enjoying the unearned praise, so it really, really hurts me to admit the following, but it's the truth. Yes there is a lot of credit due here, but sadly only a very very little of it is due to me for bringing it all together in one place. For instance I got the idea about adjective endings here. Before anyone comes on here complaining that Prof. Kuhn-Osius' explanation is MUCH MUCH clearer than mine (which it is!) please note that I am trying to integrate it (unsuccesfully so far) with the explanation of how the articles behave, which I got elsewhere (his is a stand-alone lesson on adjectives). I can already see that the way forward might be to seperate the two sections more completely, which would leave the way open to use his lovely clear "dictionary article ending" explanation (with the added benefit that it would obviate the need for a seperate section on plural adjectives). The problem is that this would essentially constitute copying. I suppose I could try to find an email for him and ask his permission to do so (with an appropriate citation). All this said, I would ideally LIKE to retain control of the thread if possible (I'm only human and have an ego like everyone else), but the most important thing is that something good be produced- the gaping hole of the German Case System has long irked me with MT's otherwise wonderful course, and the poor guy had nothing to do with the Vocabulary Course published after his death. Edited by Random review on 22 November 2010 at 6:46am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7102 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 20 of 60 22 November 2010 at 11:37am | IP Logged | |||||
I like the progression from pronouns to articles to adjectives and it would be a shame to lose that because that ties it all together. I've looked through Lesson 7 again (particularly the explanation of rule 4) and you have covered it - I just didn't read it properly. Maybe an extra example for each of the ER and ES situations with the indefinite article for clarification... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kugel Senior Member United States Joined 6537 days ago 497 posts - 555 votes Speaks: English* | Message 21 of 60 24 November 2010 at 4:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
There is a printable option for anyone who wants to use a paper and pen rather than a computer. The website was in fact developed by a Lithuanian who was influenced by MT. However, not all of the courses on the site are related to MT, and the closest thing to him would be a homebrew Japanese course that's about 3-4 lessons long, which is all done in audio with the transcripts that have embedded prompts. What a PDF can't do is force the learner to use prompts. Of course, a low-tech method would be covering up the answer with a sheet of paper when asked the question, "How do you say....?" The website is just a method to streamline the process of working out a sequence of prompts and explanations, nothing more. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7102 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 22 of 60 24 November 2010 at 8:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
I missed your post first time round. I have to say I really like the idea of turning this into a series of lessons similar to what you (and others) have done there. It fits perfectly with the "how do you say" prompts. And if you can print it out as well... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| translator2 Senior Member United States Joined 6918 days ago 848 posts - 1862 votes Speaks: English* | Message 23 of 60 24 November 2010 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
|
German case endings made easy
2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5782 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 24 of 60 24 November 2010 at 10:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
|
Nearly finished my 2nd draft of the adjective section, anybody else got one too? I'll put mine on the above site (hopefully tonight). You guys have been great, but I had hoped for more people to give feedback, especially anyone who who had completed MT German, but didn't yet know the cases, in order to see whether it works or not. If nothing else I am a bit disappointed not to get some feedback on this from Caintear, as I think he speaks German, he's not normally shy when it comes to giving his opinion, and frankly this is probably the only thread mentioning Michel Thomas that he isn't on ha ha (no offence intended if you read this).
1 person has voted this message useful |
|  | 
Printable version
|
| Copyright 2024 FX Micheloud - All rights reserved No part of this website may be copied by any means without my written authorization. |
