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| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6151 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 17 of 52 10 December 2010 at 10:34am | IP Logged | ||
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I think your experiment is worthwile, as tracking your time is quite motivating. I think you should be prepared for not quite reaching your goals at 200 hours. I've been keeping detailed study logs for the past three years, and I'm still far from that level in most of my languages. By the way, these totals don't include watching TV or movies.
Russian 2008: 71 hrs. 2009: 72 hrs. 2010: 197 hrs. Russian Total: 340 hrs. Current Level: Intermediate Spanish 2008: 328 hrs. 2009: 376 hrs. 2010: 237 hrs. Spanish Total: 941 hrs. Current Level: Basic Fluency Hungarian 2008: 98 hrs. 2009: 107 hrs. 2010: 18 hrs. Hungarian Total: 223 hrs. Current Level: Beginner\Lower Intermediate. French 2008: 140 hrs. 2009: 120 hrs. 2010: 48 hrs. French Total: 308 hrs. Current Level: Upper Intermediate. Edited by DaraghM on 10 December 2010 at 10:39am 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| justberta Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5585 days ago 140 posts - 170 votes Speaks: English, Norwegian* Studies: Indonesian, German, Spanish, Russian | Message 18 of 52 10 December 2010 at 2:57pm | IP Logged | ||
You say you HAD advanced/native fluency in Spanish, Greek and German but now you don't? Sorry but I don't believe this is possible. Seeing as native fluency would be the highest level obtainable in a language, it would be something that you had worked in to your daily routine, it would be a language you would frequently think, speak and act in. How this could deteriorate over time I don't understand, as it would be automatically imprinted in your brain at all times. If not I wouldn't call it native fluency. In addition to you tube, will you use Skype? Surely you must have some contact with native speakers everyday in all 10 languages to achieve this. Why not focus on one and be more realistic? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5649 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 19 of 52 10 December 2010 at 3:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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Why bag on him/her for wanting to learn 10 languages? Let him/her (sorry, don't know) do whatever they please. Edited by The Real CZ on 10 December 2010 at 3:05pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| justberta Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5585 days ago 140 posts - 170 votes Speaks: English, Norwegian* Studies: Indonesian, German, Spanish, Russian | Message 20 of 52 10 December 2010 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Because it is annoying when people brag.
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| Hakan D Tetraglot Groupie Turkey Joined 5101 days ago 45 posts - 77 votes Speaks: Turkish*, Icelandic, English, German Studies: Spanish, Greek, Swedish, Hungarian, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, Russian | Message 21 of 52 10 December 2010 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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English version: (Greek version below)
@justberta: Where did you get the impression that I was bragging, I just wonder. Is it because I'm doing an experiment to learn 10 languages at the same time and in 200 hours? Or is it because I said I have attained native fluency in Greek and advanced fluency in Spanish? I don't care if you believe or not especially after your rather impertinent comment on me but for the others who are suspecting the same let me explain. I've attained native fluency in Greek and that's probably because since my childhood until I was at high-school I was exposed to Greek every day. I was brought up in Istanbul and in the district where mainly Greek people lived Beyoğlu (or Πέρα if you will). In my building we were the only Turkish family. I also embarked upon learning it thoroughly, the grammar, obtaining more vocabulary and so on. I've visited Greece 8 times. I've always heard and spoke Greek so as you say that was in my daily routine. I of course do speak Greek still OK but not in the level that I was 5 years ago. I started going to Spanish courses when I was 18 and mostly when I was in the university, studied it around 4 years (in a course and by myself), have lived in Spain around 6 months but moved to Iceland and haven't used the language much since then. And in 10 years you can forget a lot if you don't go after it. I had many other things to do so I didn't. So please justberta, if you do NOT like this log, please don't visit here again. ============================================================ ========================== ελληνικά: Απορώ πώς σου έδωσα την εντύπωση ότι εγώ καυχιέμαι. Είναι αφού κάνω ένα πείραμα για να δω πως μπορεί κανείς να μαθεί 10 γλώσσες σε 200 ώρες; Η μήπως γιατί είδα οτί μπορέσα να μιλήσω ευχερώς ελληνικά και ισπανικά; Απλά απορώ! Εγώ γεννήθηκα στην Κωνσ\πολη και μεγάλοσα στην Ελληνική περιοχή της Πόλης, δηλαδή η <<Πέρα>>. Οταν ήμουν παιδί στο κτίριό μας εμείς ήμασταν ή μοναδική τουρκική οικογένεια, οι οιπόλοιποι ήταν Έλληνες. Γι'αυτο το λόγο να ακούσω την ελληνική γλώσσα ήτανε καθημερινότιτα για μένα. Όταν ήμουν στο γυμνάσιο ήθελα να μαθώ τα ελληνικά τελίως και αγόρασα κάμποσα βιβλία. Έχω και ταξιδέψει στην Ελλάδα 8 φορές. Νομίζω πως μιλάω ακόμα αυτη τη γλώσσα καλά αλλά τώρα αυτή δεν είναι στο επίπεδο που ήταν πριν από 5 χρωνιά. Άρχισα να μαθαίνω ισπανικά όταν ήμουν 18 χρωνών για περίπου 4 χρονιά. Ζήσα στην Ισπανία 6 μήνες αλλά μετά μετακόμισα στην Ισλανδία και δεν είχα την ευκαιρία για να χρησιμοποιήσω καθώλου. Και μπορείς να μου πιστέψεις οτι κανείς ξεχνάει πολύ γρίγορα. Λοιπόν justberta άμα ΔΕΝ σου αρέσει το log μου, σε παρακαλώ μην έρχεσαι εδώ πιά. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Hakan D Tetraglot Groupie Turkey Joined 5101 days ago 45 posts - 77 votes Speaks: Turkish*, Icelandic, English, German Studies: Spanish, Greek, Swedish, Hungarian, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, Russian | Message 22 of 52 10 December 2010 at 8:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Today I had plenty of time to study the three of the ten languages that I've chosen.
Greek (1 hour) I started out with Greek. 13. Chapter which deals with pronouns in direct and indirect positions in the sentence. Grammatically not very challenging but through the dialogues and examples in the unit I've realized probably I never had to deal with some health problems in Greek. So I'll be memorizing some vocabulary covering this point. Fortunately all the lost vocabulary is coming back. Hungarian (30 hours - total 1 hour) I did the FSI chapter 1 and typed in the vocabulary, I need to go over them again tonight. Hebrew: (110 minutes - total 5 hours) I covered the thirds group of verbs namely the one which ends with ה The rules governing are pretty straightforward. I kind of found a pattern with forming infinitives (or re-invented the wheel as the books didn't mention any rules for that) When a verb starts with "alef" then the prefix for the Hebrew infinitive will be "le" followed by "e" and "o" in the other syllables so it"s "le-echol" to eat, "le-ehov" to love. And also if it's "ayin" then the pattern is la-a-o, so "la-amod" = to stand "la-avod" = to work Done with chapter 5 so far acquired only around 90 words. That means with this pace I can only learn around 3000-4000 words which is not enough for advanced fluency. So I decided to loan the Colloquial Hebrew book from the library and also study the FSI Hebrew from time to time. להתראות edit: typo Edited by Hakan D on 10 December 2010 at 10:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hakan D Tetraglot Groupie Turkey Joined 5101 days ago 45 posts - 77 votes Speaks: Turkish*, Icelandic, English, German Studies: Spanish, Greek, Swedish, Hungarian, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, Russian | Message 23 of 52 10 December 2010 at 8:58pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes, dear lady or gentleman I did a double posting in Greek. If you like you can also do triple/quadruple or whatever posting. There's absolutely noone preventing you from this. I can see that you are pretty literate so I would suggest you to take your time and read through (especially the first one) my log and you'll see that this is an experiment that just got under way and I'm nowhere claiming to be speaking 10 languages. Not to mention if I had spoken 10 languages I would've definitely claimed so. There's nothing to be ashamed about that. Otherwise as I said in the last post if you are so annoyed with this log please do NOT visit here again. This is my last response to you. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Hakan D Tetraglot Groupie Turkey Joined 5101 days ago 45 posts - 77 votes Speaks: Turkish*, Icelandic, English, German Studies: Spanish, Greek, Swedish, Hungarian, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, Russian | Message 24 of 52 10 December 2010 at 10:23pm | IP Logged | ||
DaraghM, Thank your very much for writing down your logs. As you said keeping the time definitely helps me a lot. It forces me to study as efficient as possible. Even if I wouldn't be able to reach all the goals, I can say at the moment that (with 1 hour of Hungarian - 5 hours of Hebrew, 1 hour of Greek) I'm learning faster than usual. Perhaps setting a time limit and a goal works. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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