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| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5925 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 57 of 85 15 December 2010 at 10:45am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Äs øðürz hääv alrædie staytid, spæling riefourm øv Ienglisj cød bie æn äbsuhloot dizäßtur, ään Ay büliev dayuhkridiks oar spæsjül kærækturß wød ownlie mayk it wørß. No naytiv spiekurz wød ævur uhgrie awn hau it shød bie prownäoonst bayiest awn ðuh ritin fourm øer witsj dayuhlækt shød bi ðuh ständürd. Biesaydz þät, ævriewün häs ø difrint vürsjin øv whøt cahnstitoots fownædik spæling.
Perhaps we could bring back Middle English spelling, just for fun. Just to make sure I'm not completely misunderstood, the first few sentences were my humorous attempt to transcribe English the way I pronounce it. Losing he/she might be a good idea for many languages though, Finnish does just fine with only "hän" for both. Edited by mick33 on 15 December 2010 at 10:56am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Syntax Bilingual Hexaglot Newbie South Africa Joined 5096 days ago 28 posts - 40 votes Speaks: English*, Afrikaans*, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian Studies: Mandarin | Message 58 of 85 15 December 2010 at 11:14am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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DEATH TO PREPOSITIONS!!!
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| furrykef Senior Member United States furrykef.com/ Joined 6473 days ago 681 posts - 862 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Latin, Italian | Message 59 of 85 15 December 2010 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
You mean like the "Spanish" and "Italian" that show up under my name on this forum? Yes, Latin is very irregular. Five declensions that tend to have as many differences as similarities. Greek nouns that take different forms from Latin nouns. Four conjugations which mostly work similarly, but the future tense is completely different in the third and fourth than it is from the first and second. Many verbs that require you to memorize four principle parts. And don't forget the huge mess that is the third declension! Oh, did I mention deponence and defective verbs? Romance languages are only really irregular in their irregular verbs, and, in my opinion, they don't present nearly as much difficulty as Latin verbs do. Only a few Spanish/Italian verbs are irregular and they tend to be irregular in consistent ways. (I'm much less experienced with Italian in this regard.) Getting a firm handle on irregular verbs in Spanish took me very little time. In fact, you tend to be able to guess when you're dealing with an irregular verb in a Romance language. It mystifies me when people claim that Latin is regular.
OK. What would you replace them with? :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5767 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 60 of 85 15 December 2010 at 4:26pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I'm more surprised by the amound of people who would change a language to revert it to and equally confusing, yet already obsolete standard. Oh, if I couldn't get my agglutination I'd either want there to be an autolocomotive case in any language that's cut out for it. Or a yodeling tradition in Cantonese. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Syntax Bilingual Hexaglot Newbie South Africa Joined 5096 days ago 28 posts - 40 votes Speaks: English*, Afrikaans*, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian Studies: Mandarin | Message 61 of 85 15 December 2010 at 4:45pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
These declensions are easy to remember, especially if you learn the nominative and genitive singular. Only a few nouns are truly irregular (domus,deus,iuppiter,iter etc) (okay, maybe not that few... :)
The conjugations differ from each other regularly. The future tense differs in the same way
You start to develop predictability after a while. They aren't that irregular.
Okay, I'll give that to you. Death to the 3rd conjugation! (Ps, who decided to number the declensions?)
irregularities" :)
Right, now that I have finished that:
What about the general absence of prepositions? Think about it: In Spanish: soñar CON algo (lit. with) English: To dream ABOUT something Afrikaans: Om OOR iets te droom (lit. over) English: To listen TO something Afrikaans: Om NA iets te luister (lit. to) Spanish: Escuchar algo (note: No preposition!) WHY can't we say "I speak you" ? And why don't we get rid of auxiliaries while we're at it? "I spoken you" Hmmm... :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6143 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian | Message 62 of 85 15 December 2010 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Cases would probably fix this. In German you CAN say "Ich spreche dir" to mean "I speak to you." 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| furrykef Senior Member United States furrykef.com/ Joined 6473 days ago 681 posts - 862 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Latin, Italian | Message 63 of 85 16 December 2010 at 6:48am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
But then how do you distinguish between "I speak to you" and "I speak about you"? How do you express "I went from the movie theater to the club" without prepositions? Prepositions are inescapable because they make important distinctions. (The artificial language Lojban has no prepositions and instead relies upon word order, but this system is a bit of a nightmare from a practical standpoint.) As for the idea of introducing the dative case, well, cases are just prepositions in disguise. They're just integrated into the word instead of being placed before or after it. Edited by furrykef on 16 December 2010 at 6:51am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5257 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish | Message 64 of 85 19 December 2010 at 6:11pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Iid chaang þe Inglish speling aes aþers haev sed. Ferst aend most important, Iid bring baek þe leter þorn. [ɛj] kams from midl Inglish a: aend þeerfor it shod be speld aa. Similarli, [aj] kams from i: aend Iid maak it be speld ii. Olso Iid remoov siilent e aend dabl konsonants. Evri speeker wod riit in his/hers dialect.
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