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| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5435 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 81 of 122 23 December 2010 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I have to say that I'm having a problem following this discussion about emotional sentences. What is that? What I do know is that Olle Killjin in his approach to developing good accent speaks of chorusing phrases 50 to 100 times. I don't think it has anything to do with meaning. He feels that a large number of repetitions, especially in a group setting, is necessary for the changes in the brain to take place. He's talking about prosody and pronunciation. I doubt that he's talking about reading or writing material 100 times. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6680 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 82 of 122 23 December 2010 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
He talks about chorusing in groups of more than 8 people, 20 or 30 easy sentences, several hours for three weeks. You repeat each sentence a loooot of times. Cainntear, as usual we need to keep it simple.. If it's boring and you think the exercise is useless, stop it and do something else more enjoyable and emotional. It's that easy. You, young people, always overcomplicating life. And yes emotion enhances memory and learning. For example, you have this: Emotion Enhances Learning via Norepinephrine Regulation of AMPA-Receptor Trafficking http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674%2807%2901205-6 Hailan Hu1, Eleonore Real1, Kogo Takamiya2, Myoung-Goo Kang2, Joseph Ledoux3, Richard L. Huganir2 and Roberto Malinow1, Go To Corresponding Author, 1 Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724, USA 2 Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Department of Neuroscience, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Baltimore, MD 21205, USA 3 New York University, New York, NY 10003, USA Corresponding author Summary: * Emotion enhances our ability to form vivid memories of even trivial events Norepinephrine (NE), a neuromodulator released during emotional arousal, plays a central role in the emotional regulation of memory. However, the underlying molecular mechanism remains elusive. Toward this aim, we have examined the role of NE in contextual memory formation and in the synaptic delivery of GluR1-containing α-amino-3-hydroxy-5-methyl-4-isoxazoleproprionic acid (AMPA)-type glutamate receptors during long-term potentiation (LTP), a candidate synaptic mechanism for learning. We found that NE, as well as emotional stress, induces phosphorylation of GluR1 at sites critical for its synaptic delivery. Phosphorylation at these sites is necessary and sufficient to lower the threshold for GluR1 synaptic incorporation during LTP. In behavioral experiments, NE can lower the threshold for memory formation in wild-type mice but not in mice carrying mutations in the GluR1 phosphorylation sites. Our results indicate that NE-driven phosphorylation of GluR1 facilitates the synaptic delivery of GluR1-containing AMPARs, lowering the threshold for LTP,thereby providing a molecular mechanism for how emotion enhances learning and memory. Edited by slucido on 23 December 2010 at 11:31pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6555 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 83 of 122 24 December 2010 at 12:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Agreed. But the point that I was going for before I had to run off was emotion is equally capable of having negative effects on memory as positive effects on memory. For example, negative emotions can make things harder for me to remember sometimes. I like to think of them as things that raise the affective filter. The affective filter hypothesis is a much broader discussion than just emotion vs non- emotion, so I'll post it here for convenience. Description of Krashen's Theory of Second Language Acquisition
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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6680 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 84 of 122 24 December 2010 at 9:11am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
How is it possible that people learn languages in foreign prisons or in wars under very hard circumstances? As always, making things over complicated. Keep it simple. If you think some emotion makes things more difficult, change it. Use the "I do what I feel like" method or the "I use the emotion that I feel like" method. Relaxation is another state of mind. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6680 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 85 of 122 24 December 2010 at 2:17pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I am going to give you a secret trick that is worth 1,000,000 dollars. I will give you professional advice for free. This is my Christmas gift.
Polyglots use a lot of techniques, but they are useless if we don't make them alive. Active experiencing is a way, but we are not actors. How can we make them alive? How can we make them emotional? Don't pretend, don't act. Make it real. Introduce your arm in a beehive and move it. Go to an atheist forum in your target language and introduce yourself. Explain to them that you are a believer and start arguing with them. You will get strong emotions and they will be more than happy to destroy you and all your arguments...and your will get a lot of practice in your target language. Go one step further. Do this ONLY if you are a TRUE believer. You will get EMOTIONAL TOO. You will forget the target language and you will start looking for words and sentences to defend your beliefs and your self-esteem....in your target language. You will start thinking hard in your target language. You will even start thinking in your target language aloud. You won't be able to avoid it... You can use this with religion, politics, sports, science or whatever. You can even use this with grammar. Do you feel that grammar is boring? Make it alive. Argue about grammar. Argue about grammar in your target language. And be careful. Powerful drugs have adverse effects. Reember keep it simple and LEGAL. P.S. Please. Read again my first sentences.
What did you feel? What emotion was I trying to elicit? Merry Christmas. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5386 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 86 of 122 24 December 2010 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I see, so THAT's why you come to this forum... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6016 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 87 of 122 24 December 2010 at 2:44pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I don't think it's keeping it simple if it comes down to neuromodulators the synaptic delivery of GluR1-containing α-amino-3-hydroxy-5-methyl-4-isoxazoleproprionic acid (AMPA)-type glutamate receptors during long-term potentiation (LTP). But facetiousness aside, one problem is that (from the abstract) they appear to be talking about memory of specific events. That's episodic memory, and it's part of the declarative memory system. The paper doesn't cover the situation with procedural memory, which is what a language learner ultimately relies on. Declarative memory can be useful as a stop-gap (for memorising rules and words that you haven't internalised yet for later self-teaching) but it is not the be-all-and-end-all of learning. While it is a useful aid, it is not necessary at all. Even disregarding that, and assuming emotion helps build all memory this still doesn't mean that other factors aren't important, and yet here you are saying "don't worry about all these other factors, you don't need to think about them, just think about emotion". 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6016 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 88 of 122 24 December 2010 at 2:47pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Ah, wait... so you're saying you came here simply to stir shit and get people angry with
Excellent, that means it's not abusive if I start calling you nasty names. Mods, please remember this next time I tell slucido where to go. Or better yet, ban him, cos he's just admitted his hobby is trolling. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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