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| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5349 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes  Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 1161 of 1549 11 March 2012 at 5:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes this chapter has a few parts which were beyond my capabilities again. In English it would be - "Sam knew that this was his big opportunity (to break free from the ropes and that the people mustn't see him (falling, because then they would just tie him back up again). So Sam started to push down on the floor with his weak and injured/broken legs to hold himself up, so that his hands wouldn't fall out of the ropes yet. This was very difficult for Sam because he could barely use his legs, but he managed it because after a few minutes the people left the room and shut the door. Sam's hands finally fell/slipped out of the ropes and Sam fell onto the floor." He wants to fall out of the ropes but has to hold himself up until the people leave the room. [/QUOTE] 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5073 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 1162 of 1549 11 March 2012 at 5:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Its has to be rewritten almost completely. "Az utazók súlya lehúzta a kötelet, emiatt a kötés a kezükön egyre lazább lett." 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5073 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 1163 of 1549 11 March 2012 at 6:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
No! Gyomra is OK. It is something peculiar in Hungarian. If you says "gyomrai", it means each of them has more than one stomach! If you say "gyomra", it means each of them has one stomach. I remember we already discussed this matter a few months ago. Lets give you an example. "Megérkezett a feleségével Maxval és Hribecek is." - it means we came, each of us with his own wife "Megérkezett a feleségeivel Maxval és Hribecek is." - it means we are Muslims or Fundamantelist Mormons or something similar, and have multiple wifes, and we came with our multiple wifes 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5349 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 1164 of 1549 11 March 2012 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Sam reached up with his weak hands to Stefan's shoulders. He wants to climb up to Stefan's rope to untie it and will use Stefan's shoulders to climb up. Again, very complicated and difficult to portray even in a native language! MAYBE Sam akkor felért a gyenge kezével Stefan vállára. ?? "Majd fellökök a lábaman, hogy magasan leszél. Majd fellökök a lábaman, hogy magasan leszél." I know that gramatically I should have used "legyel" at the end and not "leszél", but the context probably still isn't clear. Stefan means that he will push up (maybe on tip-toe) to push Sam up higher so that he can reach Stefan's ropes. Simple. :)))) Edited by hribecek on 11 March 2012 at 6:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5073 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 1165 of 1549 11 March 2012 at 6:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The part I dont understand is "So Sam started to push down on the floor with his weak and injured/broken legs to hold himself up, so that his hands wouldn't fall out of the ropes yet." - what this means? Maybe this is my level of English, I think I dont understand "push down on the floor". Can you explain this with other words? How can he push down on the floor, when he is afloat over the floor? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5073 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 1166 of 1549 11 March 2012 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The first part is: "Sam a gyenge kezével felnyúlt Stefan válláig.". But what about ""Majd fellökök a lábaman, hogy magasan leszél."? "He wants to climb up to Stefan's rope to untie it and will use Stefan's shoulders to climb up." = "Fel akar mászni Stefan kötelére, hogy kioldhassa azt, ehhez használja Stefan vállát." Edited by maxval on 11 March 2012 at 6:18pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5349 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 1167 of 1549 11 March 2012 at 6:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I didn't mean that I think "gyomrai" or "gyomraik" is correct. I remember our discussion and your explanation and understand it (but will still sometimes make mistakes of course). I realised as soon as I saw your correction that I had made this typical mistake. I think I've been using it reasonably correctly since your original correction but forgot again here. In my question - Does my semtence mean that Sam and Stefan share one stomach? I'm asking about "gyomruk". Is it possible to say this word at all, even if it's a really strange meaning like that they share one stomach? Like some kind of Siamese twins for example? If not, how would you emphasise that two people share a body part like this? Just more words maybe? Weird question but I'm just trying to force the Hungarian language to do something it's not used to! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5349 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 1168 of 1549 11 March 2012 at 6:29pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Before this his legs were just hanging almost lifelessly and his feet were flopped on the floor without any downward pressure from Sam, because the pain stopped him from even trying it. Now he has to use his legs/feet, so he is making downward pressure with his feet on the floor so that the weight pulling down from the ropes is less. Imagine I am 2 metres tall. My hands are tied to a rope maybe 20 centremetres above my head at 2 metres 20 centremetres from the ground. So I can stand up by hands are above my head obviously. Now somebody comes and breaks my legs very badly! Now my legs give way and my hands are taking all the weight of my body, because my legs are uselessly hanging down and resting on the floor without life. Then I have to use them to take some of the weight away from my hands so I have to try to force them to stand a little (push down into the ground). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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