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| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5077 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes  Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 145 of 1549 23 February 2011 at 2:25pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
In 99 % of the cases "h" is like h in the English word "hi". There a few cases when "h" is not pronounced. And also few cases, when it is pronounced like German "ch".
The "í" is the same as "i", but pronunced 2 times larger. "J" is a like the "y" in the English word "you".
Yes, unless "c" is part of "cs" or - in a few foreign words - of "ch".
No, never. The "a" is always a ROUNDED vowel, with a more backward articulation than Italian "a". It is something between Italian "a" and "o".
No. Its like English "ch".
No. The "dz" is pronunced like in English: pronunce "d" and "z" as a single consonant.
"Ly" is the same as "j".
The "ó" is the same as "o", but pronunced 2 times larger. The "ő" is the same as "ö", but pronunced 2 times larger. The "o" is like Italian "o". The "ö" is like German "ö".
Like Italian "gn".
No. The "ty" is a palatal "t".
The "ú" is the same as "u", but pronunced 2 times larger. The "ű" is the same as "ü", but pronunced 2 times larger. The "u" is like Italian "u". The "ü" is like German "ü". 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5077 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 146 of 1549 23 February 2011 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
And something that you should know for reading correctly in Hungarian. When digraph consonants (cs, dz, gy, ly, ny, sz, ty, zs) and the only trigraph consonant (dzs) are doubled (geminated), only the first letter is doubled. For example double "sz" is written "ssz". All Hungarian consonants have a simple and a doubled (geminated) form. The only exception is "dz", it is always geminated, but is written usually as "dz", not as "ddz" - "ddz" is written only when there is an ending. There a few cases when there is a digraph, but in reality they are two normal consonants, not a single digraph consonant. For example in the word "község", there is no "zs", but a "z" and a "s". You simply have to learn these words, they are not marked in any way in writing. Important thing is that Hungarian ortogrpahy is not fully phonetic, for example assimilation of sounds in most cases is not marked in writing. For example "utca" is pronunced "ucca", Also there are many cases when a "single" consonant is written, but the pronunciation is geminated. Also inversely: in written form there is a geminated consonant, but the pronunciation is simple. For example "egy" is the written form, but the pronunciation is "eggy" or "ahhoz" is the written form, but the pronunciation is "ahoz". The same happens with vowels too (with the execption of "a", "á", "e" and "é"). Sometimes in the written form there is "i", "o", "u", "ü", but the pronunciation is geminated: "í", "ó", "ú", "ű". Or inversely: the written form is "í", "ó", "ú", "ű", but the pronunciation is simple: "i", "o", "u", "ü". For example: "aszú" is pronunced "aszu", and "turista" is pronunced "túrista". Also, there are many Hungarian family names written with non-standart (older) ortography. "Kossuth" is pronunced "kosút", "Széchenyi" is pronunced "szécsényi", "Tóth" is pronunced "tót", etc. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5353 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 147 of 1549 23 February 2011 at 5:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I've noticed a couple of times that you use the word SOSEM to mean never but my dictionary says that it's SOHA. Is there a difference between these words? Thanks in advance 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5077 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 148 of 1549 23 February 2011 at 7:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
SOSEM = SOHA NEM "A kutyák soha nem beszélnek." "A kutyák sosem beszélnek." Edited by maxval on 23 February 2011 at 7:40pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Kisfroccs Bilingual Pentaglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 5413 days ago 388 posts - 549 votes Speaks: French*, German*, EnglishC1, Swiss-German, Hungarian Studies: Italian, Serbo-Croatian | Message 149 of 1549 23 February 2011 at 9:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
At www.mr1-kossuth.hu. Click on the "play" button. I know you can download it but I don't remember how I did it. :/ They talk about theater, politics, economics, news etc. The important to remember is that they talk a lot :). On the right, you have different numbers (1 to 7). That the main stations available with different programmes. Szia ! Kisfröccs 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5353 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 150 of 1549 25 February 2011 at 12:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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LAKÁSAM - (mert kell gyakorolnom hazi szavakat)
A lakásunkban nyolc szoba van, a lakásunk toronyban van. A lakásunk tetszik, mert a kilátás nagyon szép, a szomszédek csendesek és elég bisztonságos - Hátha a lakásunkba tolvaj akar befáradni, nagyon nehéz. Előszór tolvaj kinyitnie a kintajtó kellene, aztán felmennie emelet felvonával kellene és végül a ajtónkat kinyitnie kellene, és mindent csinalnia kellene hogy szomszédek őt nem látják. A lakásunkban egy fürdőszoba, egy konyha, egy nappali, egy vécé, egy szoba ajtónál és két hálószoba van. Egy hálószoba második hálószoba mögött a lakásunk hátul. A nappali a konyha és a fürdőszoba között és a fürdúszoba a vécé és a nappali között. Szkottunk a nappaliban tölteni a estet közösen (feleségemmel), ott a tévét nézzük vagy én tanulok magyarul vagy spanyolul vagy néha holnapért készítünk. A lakásunk elég olcsó, mert feleség anya lakásja és ő csak akar hogy a bérleti díjt fizetjük, nem akar keresni. Feleség szülei nagy házban laknak, a ház lakásunk nagyon közel. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5077 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 151 of 1549 26 February 2011 at 1:33pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LAKÁSOM
Gramatically correct, but there is one thing you should know. In Hungary "szoba" means only room: - that has a windows, - is at least 12 square meters (130 square feet), - is not a service room (kitchen, bath, etc.). So in this sense you have to use the word "helyiség" (do not confound it with "helység"!), it means every separate room in any flat or house. So "szoba" is only a sleeping room with a windows, a hall, or a dining room. Kitche, bathroom, room with no windows is not a "szoba". In Hungarian classified ads you will find "másfél szobás lakás", "három és fél szobás lakás", etc! Every time there is "szoba" it can be translated to English as "sleeping room". Eventually, there is a "félszoba", it means a normal room with a windows, more than 6, but less than 12 square meters size. So ONLY if you have 8 sleeping rooms, you can say "nyolc szoba van a lakásban". Or If you have a hall, a dining room, and 6 sleeping rooms, then you can say "nyolc szoba" too.
BIZTONSÁGOS
ElőszÖr A tolvajnak KI KELLENE NYITNIA a KINTI AJTÓT, aztán fel kellene mennie AZ emeletRE A felvonÓval és végül aZ ajtónkat kelene kinyitniA, és mindeZT ÚGY kellene csinÁlnia, hogy A szomszédOk őt NE LÁSSÁK MEG.
"szoba ajtónál" = ELŐSZOBA TEHÁT A LAKÁS HÁROMSZOBÁS: KÉT SZOBA ÉS NAPPALI.
Az egyik hálószoba a másik hálószoba mögött van, a lakás hátsó részében (hátul a lakásban).
VAN
SZOKTUK MÁSNAPRA KÉSZÜLÜNK
A FELESÉGEM ANYJA (ANYÓSOM) Ő CSAK AZT AKARJA, HOGY A BÉRLETI DÍJAT FIZESSÜK (imperative mood!) NEM AKAR KERESNI RAJTUNK
A LAKÁSUNKHOZ NAGYON KÖZEL VAN Edited by maxval on 26 February 2011 at 1:37pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5353 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 152 of 1549 27 February 2011 at 12:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A quite important correction for you here. 'Eventually' is a false friend, my Czech students often make the same mistake. A correct translation of whatever language you were translating 'eventually' from would be 'alternatively'. Maybe you already knew this and meant it to mean 'finally'. In that case 'finally' and 'eventually' are a little different. An example of 'eventually' would be - I'm feeling very lazy now but I'll do it eventually. In Czech it's 'nakonec', maybe there's a similar word in Bulgarian?
Is this something like the subjunctive in Spanish? I haven't heard about this being in Hungarian. Thanks for all the corrections. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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