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| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5077 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes  Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 569 of 1549 11 May 2011 at 5:17pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A few explanations: “a fiúk nagyon meglepettek” – grammatically correct, however you should say “a fiúk nagyon meglepődtek”, using a verb, not an adjectival participle here “elkezd vezetni mélyebben az alagútba” – if alagútBA, showing motion, then mélyebb will also show motion, so mélyebbRE “végre érkeznek a végére az alagútban” – in this form it means that there is an “end of something” in the tunnel, but we don’t know what is it, the only thing we know that it cannot be the end of tunnel! “két kisebb ajtók is vannak” – no plural used after numbers! “két kisebb ajtó is van” “az ajtók zárvák vannak” – adverbial participles have no plural! “zárva” – as in English, you don’t say in English “the doors are closeds” :-) “döntenek visszamenni és ellenőrizni” – correct, but doesn’t sound very well, better use verbs, not infinitives in this case “keresnek valamit, amit tudnak használni” – correct too, but will be better to use conditional: tudNÁnak “a fiúk gyorsan a helyiség körül néznek” – in this form it means that the boys are NOT in the room, but they are out of the room and they are looking something around the room.. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5353 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 570 of 1549 11 May 2011 at 9:41pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I didn't know this happens with adverbs.
I was thinking of zarva as an adjective here. But then I suppose I wouldn't have vannak there either. Thanks for all the tips! I'll try hard to remember them but I hope it doesn't bother you too much when I repeat the same mistakes. I do learn a lot from your corrections and try to employ them in future posts. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5353 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 571 of 1549 11 May 2011 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Hi kisfröccs I would expect us to have different strengths and weaknesses in Hungarian and I'm sure your advantage is that you have more natural Hungarian due to more interaction with natives and after your 3 weeks course you'll be much, much better. Anyway it's not a competition, we're on the same team - Team ő, so I hope we both improve a lot over the next few months. My target is B1. I'm going to Hungary at the beginning of July (it's not 100% yet because I haven't actually booked anything yet). I'm going to be in Pécs probably, for about 4 or 5 days. It's nice for me too, to know that there's somebody else out there with a passion for Hungarian. Szia, Hribecek 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5077 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 572 of 1549 13 May 2011 at 11:14am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It depends on the adverbs... Edited by maxval on 13 May 2011 at 11:14am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5353 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 573 of 1549 13 May 2011 at 12:18pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I know that I've asked about this before but I'm still struggling to feel the difference with some verbs, so I've done a little exercise to try to get more of a feel for the difference.
Please could you tell me the difference between these four sentences and if they are all possible etc. 1. Megtaláltam a kocsit 2. Találtam a kocsit. 3. Megkerestem a kocsit. 4. Kerestem a kocsit. I know 1 and 2 basically mean 'found' and 3 and 4 basically mean 'looked for' but I still have no feeling for when to use each. I feel like 2 and 3 are very similar, if not the same?? And are they all possible in the present too? 1. Megtalálom a kocsit. 2. Találom a kocsit. 3. Megkeresem a kocsit. 4. Keresem a kocsit. I know some of these need a bit more context or information to be able to use them in this case, but I was hoping you could provide the extra context that I would need for each one, maybe then I'll get it more! Köszönöm szépen előre 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5077 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 574 of 1549 13 May 2011 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I found the car. It has a kind of perfective and definite sense, it is a finished action. - Hallottam, hogy ellopták a kocsidat. - Hála Istennek, a rendőrség időközben megtalálta a kocsit. - I heard your car was stolen. - Thanks God, meanwhile the police has found the car.
It has a kind of indefinite sense. For this reason it is not frequently used with a definite article. You will see this with indefinite article in most cases. "Találtam egy kocsit." Tegnap találtam egy kocsit a ház előtt. Nem tudom kié lehet. Yesterday I have found a car in front of the house. I dont know whose car is it. I need to think about special situations when this can be used with a definite article! - Ez a kocsi honnan van? - Találtam. Tegnap találtam a kocsit a ház előtt. - Where is this car from? - I have found it. Yesterday I have found this car in front of the house.
A finished, perfective action. I have searched for the car (and I found it!).
An unfinished action. Ellopták tegnap a kocsimat. A rendőrség kereste a kocsit, de nem találta. My car was stolen yesterday. The police has searched for it, but they didnt find it.
In reality there is a similarity between "megkerestem" and "megtaláltam".
Yes.
The second version is unusual. It is more usual with "egy" instead of "a", and in this case definite conjugation will be changed into indefinite. 1. Megtalálom a kocsit. 2. Találok egy kocsit. 3. Megkeresem a kocsit. 4. Keresem a kocsit. First and third are almost the same! Both mean that I am going to search the car, with the definite intention to find it! Examples: "Eltűnt a kocsim. Megyek és megtalálom!" = "Eltűnt a kocsim. Megyek és megkeresem!" Example for the second "Találok egy kocsit.": "Megyek az autószalonba. Remélem találok egy kocsit, amely megfelel minden szempontból." - I am going to the car showroom. I hope to find car, that will suit all criterias. Example for the fourth "Keresem a kocsit.": "Keresem a kocsimat, nem találom parkolóban, elfelejtettem, hogy a parkoló melyik részén hagytam." I am searching for my car, I cant find it in the parking, I forgot in which part of the parking I had left it. Edited by maxval on 13 May 2011 at 2:04pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5077 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 575 of 1549 13 May 2011 at 2:22pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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A conversation for you. May be it will help!
- Mit csináltál tegnap? - Lementem a pincébe takarítani. Kidobtam sok felesleges dolgot. Takarítás közben találtam két érdekes régi újságot. S megtaláltam a régi játékmackómat, amelyről azt hittem, hogy elveszett. Nagyon örültem, mert kisgyerekként ez a mackó volt a kedvenc játékom. - Én a múlt héten dolgoztam a pincémben. De nem azért mert ki akartam dobni valamit, nálam nincsenek felesleges dolgok a pincében, soha semmit nem dobok ki! De le kellett mennem, mert meg akartam találni egy régi könyvet. Elhatároztam, hogy mindenképpen megkeresem azt a könyvet. Sokáig kerestem, sokáig nem találtam semmit, de végül megtaláltam. - What were you doing yesterday? - I went to the basement to clean up. I threw away many unnecessary things. While cleaning, I found two interesting old newspapers. And I found my old teddy bear toy, I thought it was lost. I was very glad, because as a small child this teddy bear was my favorite toy. - I worked in my basement the last week. Not because I wanted to throw away anything. I dont have any unnecessary things in my basement, I never throw away anything. But I had to go to the basement, because I wanted to find an old book. I decided that at all events I would search for it. I was searching for it, and long time I didnt find anything, but lastly I found it! Please correct my English translation! Edited by maxval on 13 May 2011 at 2:24pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5353 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 576 of 1549 13 May 2011 at 2:39pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
For example, how would you say 'Yesterday I was looking through my old photos and I came across (by chance/surprisingly) the photo of us from the cave in Costa Rica.'
So megkerestem would signify the longer process of searching and finding and megtaláltam would just signify the finding of the thing?
So is it possible to say it in the negative with the 'meg' words? Nem keresem meg a kocsimat. OR Nem találom meg a kocsimat. A couple of English pointers for you. I'm sure it was just a lapse in concentration but you can't say 'yesterday I have found', no present perfect when the time is said or known. Also parking is only the action of driving your car into the space or in signs like 'no parking', it isn't the noun for the place. So either 'car park', 'parking space' or 'parking lot'. Car park and parking lot are the same, car park is British English. Parking space is the single space for just 1 car. Edited by hribecek on 13 May 2011 at 2:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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