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| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5349 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes  Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 57 of 1549 24 January 2011 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
In English a field is surrounded by some sort of fence or hedge, cows in one, crops in another etc. Maybe mező is like 'meadow' in English. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Kisfroccs Bilingual Pentaglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 5409 days ago 388 posts - 549 votes Speaks: French*, German*, EnglishC1, Swiss-German, Hungarian Studies: Italian, Serbo-Croatian | Message 58 of 1549 24 January 2011 at 9:52pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Hello ! It's a bit similar to German, it has cases (nominativ, accusativ, dativ) and prepositions that works like cases ( I see it like this way :) - I know a lot of people say it has like 24 cases). However if you're speaking French I found something that can make the whole thing more clear : Sujet, attribut du sujet, complément du nom - rien A ház fehér. La maison est blanche. --- Le COD: -t Látok egy házat. Je vois une maison -- Dans, à l'intérieur de Sans mouvement: -ban, -ben A házban öt szoba van. Il y a cinq pièces dans la maison. Avec mouvement : -ba, -be Bemegünk a házba. Nous entrons dans la maison Mouvement de - à : ból, ből Kimegyünk a házból. (Nous sortons de la maison --- Sur, sur la surface de Sans mouvement : n, on, en, ön Az asztalon virág van. Il y a des fleurs sur la table. Mouvement vers : ra, re As asztalra teszem a virágot. Je pose les fleurs sur la table. Mouvement de - à : ról, ről Leveszem a virágot az asztalról. Je prends les fleurs sur (de) la table. --- Près de à proximité de, chez Sans mouvement : nál, nél Péternél vagyünk. Nous sommes chez Pierre Mouvement vers : hoz, hez, höz Péterhez megyünk. Nous allons chez Pierre. Mouvement de - à : tól, től Pétertól jövünk. Nous venons de chez Pierre. --- Pour, à, COI : nak, nek Katinak adom a könyvet. Je donne le livre à Catherine. --- Avec val, vel (s + val = ssal, t + val = ttal etc) Annával és Miklossal beszélgetek. Je discute avec Anne et (avec) Michel. --- Devenir, Rendre : vá, vé A forró víz gőzzé alakul. L'eau bouillante se transforme en vapeur --- Langues : ul, ül Magyar -> magyarul --- pour, cause et finalité : ért A szabadságért harcoltak. Ils ont lutté pour la liberté --- Jusqu'à Este hétig dolgozom. Je travaille jusqu'à sept heures du soir. --- Complément du nom; nak, nek A háznak az ablaka kicsi. Le fenêtre de la maison est petite. --- Comme, en qualité de, en tant que Turistaként jött Franciaországban. Il est venu en France en tant que Touriste. --- Comme, en tant que : képpen, képp Próbaképpen lefordítottam. Je l'ai traduit à titre d'essai. --- Par : nként Hetenként egyszer találkozunk. Nous nous rencontrons une fois par semaine. (credit : no me :(, and I don't remenber whose it is, please feel free to mention the name if you find it) You can try www.magyarora.com for learning online + youtube and online dictionaries. But I do not garantee the success :). Good luck or sok szerencsét ! It's a fascinating language. BTW Hribecek : I think I have time tomorrow and should post a little storie. I hope so, time is passing and there are not so much days remaining until end of January ;) Kisfröccs 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5349 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 59 of 1549 24 January 2011 at 10:08pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Who are you asking? It's a very difficult question to answer. I haven't studied German so can't compare it to English but Hungarian grammar is very different to English (although there is no gender in Hugarian which is nice). There are cases but they're not as complex as Slavic language cases for example, but there are other difficulties instead. I'm not a linguist or expert on Hungarian so I'll leave Maxval or someone else to elaborate on that if they want to. Perhaps you should read the wikipaedia entry about Hungarian, I'm sure it's in Italian too. I can only say that Hungarian is complex but refreshingly regular in its complexity (much more regular than English) which has made it a very enjoyable and learnable language for me so far. I like to use a book as a guide but I expect there are ways of learning it on line for free too. If you're a language geek like me then I definitely recommend it! EDIT : I see Kisfroccs explained it to you very well probably (I don't speak French so can't be sure!) in French while I was writing my reply) Edited by hribecek on 24 January 2011 at 10:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5349 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 60 of 1549 24 January 2011 at 10:20pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Hi Kisfröccs I'm glad that you're still taking part in this challenge! The actual deadline for me is February 4th but I intend to write a report about my Hungary trip in Hungarian on February 13th/14th. So we can keep it on for an extra 2 weeks if you want? I think I originally called it a 6 week challenge anyway. We can keep this thread going indefinitely afterwards too as a place to practise. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| xander.XVII Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5054 days ago 189 posts - 215 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishC1 Studies: French | Message 61 of 1549 24 January 2011 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Thank both you!
I didn't quote you because of posts' length, notwithstanding I think I will try to learn it! Another question:Is google translator reliable to find word by word? I mean,if I want "dog" or "to hunt" is it good? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5349 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 62 of 1549 24 January 2011 at 10:33pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I haven't used google translator for Hungarian but it's probably okay, at least for beginner vocabulary. As good as a normal dictionary I suppose. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5073 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 63 of 1549 25 January 2011 at 1:20pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I think all languages are equally difficult. There are no easy and hard languages. Of course, there are differences depending on the native language of the student who studies a specific foreign language. For a Czech it is much easier to learn Russian, than Spanish. And for an Italian it is easier to learn Spanish, than English. And a German will learn English easier than French. Hungarian is not an Indo-European language, so it has several specific characteristics features that are strange for a Russian, an Italian, or and English, but at the same time they are known linguistic features for a Finn, or for a Turk. But these non-Indo-European features are not in any way harder! They are only unusual for a person who has an Indo-European native language. I think that there are two types of languages from the viewpoint of learning: - languages that are easy at the basic level, and then become harder when trying to archieve fluency, - languages that are hard at the basic level, a than become easier. I think Hungarian is from the second type, and English is from the first. It is very easy to BEGIN to learn English, after two weeks an avarage student can make relatively correct English sentences - this is impossible when someone begins to learn Hungarian. But after archieving a basic level, Englisb becomes much harder: probably English is the European language with the biggest quantity of words! In English there are a lot of synonims, often there a Latin and a Germanic word for the same. In Hungarian the hardest period is the period when the student understands the basic logic of the language. After that, the language become EASIER. For example in English you have to memorize a lot of irregular grammatical structures (for example irregular verbs), in Hungarian there is almost no irregular verbs. Many people think English is easy, and Hungarian is hard. Its not true! English is easy only at the basic level, for example when asking in the airport where is the police or something like that. At any level above that English is not easy at all. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| maxval Pentaglot Senior Member Bulgaria maxval.co.nr Joined 5073 days ago 852 posts - 1577 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Bulgarian, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Latin, Modern Hebrew | Message 64 of 1549 25 January 2011 at 1:30pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
The word "case" is an Indo-European concept for flexive type languages. Many linguists think in Hungarian there are no cases at all, as these "cases" are not the same as in Latin, Russian or German. Hungarian is not a flexive type languages, its an aglutinative type language. In reality in Hungarian there are ENDINGS, not cases. Some linguists categorize a part of these endings as "case endings", but it is not very much logical, as there are no real difference between "case endings" and "non-case endings". This is the reason why there is no consensus on the question how many cases are there in Hungarian. It depends on what you considere a case! Some linguists speak about 15 cases, other about 17 or 18, others about 34, and there also other numbers. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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