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"Vocabulearn" series | ||
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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6554 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 25 of 38 02 June 2007 at 2:44pm | IP Logged |
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I researched making audio flashcards in supermemo, but gave up before figuring it out completely. One thing that pentatonic told me was I would need to write some sort of program to import multiple sound files to supermemo. I have no programming skills, so that bit of info convinced me to stop trying.
I've also considered the random word order audio drilling suggested in this thread. This seems much more feasible, and I'll probably do it when I switch my car over to MP3. But it's a lot of work. I'm a big fan of using audio drilling, native to target, to improve response speed. I used learn in your car Japanese, and was amazed at how much faster it made me for those 1500 words or so (I only had the first set). Certainly not as good as using the words in conversation, but if you're isolated from your target language speakers, it's a big help. I consider it to be the next step after written flashcards. I personally have a very hard time learning by audio alone. My mind just doesn't work that way. So studying the words in list form, and/or flashcards is a necessity for me. After getting everything into supermemo, the audio does it's magic, and I achieve great speed and retention. I doubt if there is a huge improvement between random vs non-random audio drilling. Maybe if you have really short lessons there is. But I see such a big improvement from normal flashcards to non-random audio, I don't think it can get too much better. To summarize my guess on the effectiveness: supermemo alone - 75-85% supermemo + audio - 90-95% supermemo + randomized audio - 95%+ Actual conversation - 100% 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Mezzivi Newbie Joined 6352 days ago 36 posts - 36 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French | Message 26 of 38 01 August 2007 at 12:59pm | IP Logged |
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Hi, i just bought the Italian vocabulearn, they claim that there is 7500 words and expressions in the course, but on the PDF that comes with the course, only about 1500 words are shown, what am i missing here? It will be a great disappointment if the course only has 1500 words on it, because for the amount of CD's they have used you could easily fit 6000-7500 words.
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| fsc Senior Member United States Joined 6333 days ago 100 posts - 117 votes Studies: French | Message 27 of 38 03 September 2008 at 6:23am | IP Logged |
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Has anyone found the best method to use this program? For example, learn 10, 20, etc, words a day? Listen to an entire CD over and over until you know it? Just keep going from one CD to the next and then repeating?
There always seems to be a common problem with vocabulary courses. People seem excited about them and start out fine. Then, the longer they do them, the less they get out of them. I don't know if they get bored, feel overwhelmed, or just start forgetting previously learned words so they quit. I am yet to see a thread where someone went through one of these courses completely and felt they got a lot out of it. Another problem is knowing when, and how often, to review. If you are constantly reviewing words you already learned, pretty soon you know so many that you don't have enough time to review and learn new words. Something has to give and you either stop reviewing and forget, or you don't move forward. Knowing the proper review stadegy would be helpful. I think the best thing would be to learn words and then have something like Pimsleur that has conversations made up mainly of those words you just learned to help them stick. For me, learning a word or phrase in my studies and then coming across it somewhere else, like in a podcast or TV news broadcast, always seemed to make the word or phrase a lot more memorable for me. I have been studying French for over a year and have found my vocabulary to be lacking. One of my main goals is to be able to listen to French podcasts and understand them. It has been a gradual process and I am understanding more as time goes by, but feel my lack of vocabulary is really hindering my progress. I was able to get Vocabulearn from my library so I want to give it a try. I find it hard to believe that there have been no studies done to find out the best way to learn a bunch of words. If someone could point me to a source of such studies, I would be grateful. I do realize that different methods work best for different people so am not looking for a one-size-fits all method but perhaps a number of tested methods I can try to see which one works best instead of wasting time using trial and error. Thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| lang_lang Newbie United States Joined 5928 days ago 15 posts - 15 votes | Message 28 of 38 05 September 2008 at 9:12am | IP Logged |
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With Vocabulearn, you have to be well disciplined and motivated when beginning the program. I have always found it to be a bit boring, but the number of words are extensive. So, if you can remain focused, it could benefit you.
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| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4705 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 29 of 38 15 January 2012 at 1:56pm | IP Logged |
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You can reduce the volume of the background music greatly by using the "center pan remover" effect filter in Audacity. It's a plugin you can find easily via google.
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| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4705 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 30 of 38 11 February 2012 at 4:09am | IP Logged |
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I'd like to give an update... I'm currently doing Vocabulearn Japanese and find it tremendously helpful. You might want to give it a shot (after toning down the background music).
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| jerrypettit Groupie United States Joined 6030 days ago 79 posts - 103 votes Speaks: English* | Message 31 of 38 11 February 2012 at 11:30pm | IP Logged |
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Leosmith (and others): I've been making Supermemo (Version 2006) flashcards with the
Vocabulearn materials for quite a while. 1) I import the Vocabulearn audio file into an audio editor (I use SoundForge--Audacity is free); 2) I chop up the individual word pairs: "house...casa..." and export them to a folder; 3) I then convert all of those small exported audio files to mp3; 4) I then open Supermemo and File/Import/Files and point to this folder and import; 5) I then click on "Contents", click on the second icon from the left (which when hovering my mouse over, says that it will "Open a menu for procession a branch..." 6) After selecting these newly imported files (which default to being "Topics"), I then click on Type/Make Items 7) Everything is now an Item in my Learning queue, and I'm ready to go. I have done this enough times that I have automated the process somewhat (at least for steps 2 and 3) using AutoHotKey, if you are familiar with that. Edited by jerrypettit on 11 February 2012 at 11:30pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| oldstoker Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4465 days ago 12 posts - 16 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish | Message 32 of 38 11 September 2012 at 3:57pm | IP Logged |
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I have found this series very useful for learning additional vocabulary.
It is best to write the words on flashcards and then use the flashcards together with the recordings. Before you do this, make sure to check the translation of unfamiliar words as sometimes the one given in the booklet is misleading. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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