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| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5074 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 18 of 68 20 February 2011 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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Gebrauch machen is correct! Just to add this: I forgot to write, that it's also correct now to write "Shakespeare's Sprache" (or Sprache Shakespeare's).
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| Sunja Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6076 days ago 2020 posts - 2295 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 19 of 68 21 February 2011 at 9:15am | IP Logged | ||
äh? :) Wie im Englischen? was laut Canoonet richtig ist: Shakespeares' Sprache Die Sprache des Shakespeares (ohne Apostroph) Habe ich aber noch mal in --Wiki-- geschaut und offentsichlich hast du ja recht, Meelämmchen: Eine häufige Verwendung des Apostrophs ist das abgetrennte Genitiv-s, der sogenannte (angel)sächsische Genitiv, wie bei Opa’s Pfeife oder Schuster’s Rappen. Nach den alten deutschen Rechtschreibregeln war diese Schreibweise generell falsch. Nach der neuen deutschen Rechtschreibung gilt sie in solchen Fällen als richtig, in denen der Apostroph die Grundform eines Personennamens verdeutlicht, z. B. bei Andrea’s Friseursalon, Willi’s Würstchenbude oder Mozart’s Sonaten. Dann ist wohl alles erlaubt! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5074 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 20 of 68 21 February 2011 at 9:40am | IP Logged | ||
That cannot be correct. There is an apostroph at the end of a word only when it ends with s. So that you in the genitive don't have to write Hanss Wurst... (but Hans' Wurst) And I would say, that in the second example the last s in Shakespeares has to be omitted, because it is substituted already by the article (des). But maybe I got that wrong, someone should have a look at this. Or it's just the spelling reform... Yes, German spelling is pretty much in a state of (almost) anything goes right now. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sunja Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6076 days ago 2020 posts - 2295 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 21 of 68 22 February 2011 at 2:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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Meelämmchen, when you get the chance, can you tell me what Duden you have or one you'd recommend? Nothing I have gives me that kind of information. I'm always looking in the Internet.
I haven't done much. My books have been untouched since Friday. I'm going to take off for a few days to see if I can get some real work accomplished. I received my Anmeldungsbestätigung from the Goethe Insitut for their Fernkurs "GDS Aufsatz-Training" and I'm waiting for my first Lektüre/Päckchen. I've already found one of the books on the GDS list for 2011 -- they're all real sleepers, too. Actually I can't say that since I haven't read any of them, but it's not the same as the ZOP list. There looks to be some interesting titles on the ZOP list (or was it the KDS list?) ... For the GDS I have to specialize in a topic, just like they do for the DELF/DALF French C2. I'll be selecting 2-3 books from the Wirtschaftsliste, which is the specialization that one picks when there is nothing else to pick. (I'm not a scientist or academic of German literature, so that leaves economics -- woo-hoo.) Anyway, one of the books I found at Second-Hand for 50 cents -- poor Mr. Schäuble. I read the first chapter of Zukunft mit Maß on Sunday and I made a list of vocabulary that I'll try to review from time to time. I don't plan on getting really serious until I get my first set of Aufgaben from GI. Edited by Sunja on 22 February 2011 at 2:21pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Meelämmchen Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5074 days ago 214 posts - 249 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 22 of 68 22 February 2011 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sorry, I can't help here. I only have a cheap dictionary and Duden's Fremdwörterbuch, nothing about grammar. But both Duden and Wahrig have grammar books out there. But I don't know them. Duden has more tradition and probably experience too, I believe, so you shouldn't make anything wrong with "Die Grammatik" (1344 pages!). Wahrig "Grammatik der deutschen Sprache" has 700 pages or so. On the other side there is the spelling reform, which affected some grammar too. If I would buy a grammar book, I would probably go for "Die Grammatik" in a pre-1996 version and a little Duden book for the reform changes. Or probably both Grammatiken :) There is also Duden, Band 9, which deals with Zweifelsfälle and good German (also a good 900 pages). That one is good, I read parts of it and I really can recommend it. But they probably reformed that one also.
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| Sunja Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6076 days ago 2020 posts - 2295 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 23 of 68 24 February 2011 at 11:57am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for the tips!
okay, I have to schlurff down this cup of coffee and head out the door in about ...10 minutes. I got a really nice 3-ring binder in the mail yesterday and it has all the stuff in it for the GDS test. The book list isn't there, though and I'll have to inquire about that. Don't want to read the wrong books! The Einsendeaufgaben are also in there and I'm only supposed to work through one at a time. I made notes on the first one last night and revised it this morning. I had to do questions (Vorarbeit) for a theme and then make a Stichwort Gliederung (Intro, Body, Closing) to a piece of writing that I'm wondering if I'll write -- or is this all just an excercise? I have to keep track of the number of words (ganz blöd that I don't have Word and can't have the computer count them!) and I have to keep track of the time spent on each Aufgabe. My tutor has a doctorate and sent me a Begrüßungsmail yesterday. I got the stuff that came with the mail last night when I came in. okay 5 minutes left.... What I really like is the HUGE book from Heuber, Deutsch als Fremdsprache, Übungsgrammatik für Forgeschrittene and I'm sure I'll be working out of that bei Bedarf. Can't wait for him to find something wrong --he-he! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sunja Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6076 days ago 2020 posts - 2295 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 24 of 68 25 February 2011 at 9:49am | IP Logged | ||
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I don't expect to get a reponse for my first Einsendeaufgabe/Übung today (it's Friday) so I've started working in the grammar book. The book is extremely comprehensive, I hope I can somehow manage to cover it all within the year.
I worked on transitive and intransitive verbs: A: Die Sicherheitskräfte sind durch das Gelände gestreift. B: Die Sicherheitskräfte haben das Gelände durchstreift. A: Die Rennfahrer sind um den verunglückten Wagen herumgefahren. B: Die Rennfahrer haben den verunglückten Wagen umfahren. This is good stuff for me to review. I've never really learned it and I've always written and spoken "aus dem Bauch heraus". I'm keeping a folder of all the work that I'm doing for grammar (I can use the Answer key in the back to correct all my mistakes). I then put the folder in my "to-do box" on the desk here, so that I remember to review my mistakes from time to time. I'm also keeping a separate book for my new vocabulary which I'm collecting out of the Schäuble book and the articles that I'm reading off the Internet (Das Zeitmagazin, Der Tagesspiegel usw) I'm also keeping a list of questions to ask the tutor. Lot of stuff to organise, but (ideally) I'll develop an Arbeitsrythmus soon. As long as I don'T get sick or have some sort of a crisis I should be able to keep up with it all.... :/ 1 person has voted this message useful |
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