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| HMS Senior Member England Joined 5107 days ago 143 posts - 256 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 185 of 200 26 April 2011 at 10:31pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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This thread for me has kickstarted my getting stuck in to MT German again, after far too long procrastinating.I can now take away the OP's experiences and use them as some form of benchmark against how I feel my progress is doing.
From a social anthropological point of view though - I have learned a hell of a lot more. Best wishes in your continued studies Abazid. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5334 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 186 of 200 26 April 2011 at 11:12pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Hm. My English must be worse than I thought. I do not understand what you mean, and I was not aware of calling anyone anything, I was merely pointing out that what we know about eachother is what each person tells about himself. I have said I am a female, Norwegian with a certain amount of knowledge. That has not been challenged. I have not been asked to prove it or make YouTube videos. The only facts people know about me is that I can write English, but am really bad a spelling, hence the reference to my possible American 12 year old persona. I have written a few messages in my other languages, but so little that it could easily be faked. However we do tend to take what everyone say about themselves at face value. Why should we not? It is not like anyone earns money from making fake claims about their language skills. It is only when we get claims like "I learned 4 exotic languages yesterday and will do two more this afternoon" that we can know for a fact that this is not possible. I would therefore put it to you, that the OP, or anyone else, new or old on the forum, should get treated with respect, even if we disagree. His claims are not impossible, just uncommon and unchartered ground. I wish the OP all the best, I thank him again for sharing his experiment with us, and even though I am unable to follow some of his theories, I have been inspired by this. And I sincerely hope that other newbies do not get scared away from the forum, or from trying out new theories after seeing how this went. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| aerozeplyn Senior Member United States Joined 5148 days ago 141 posts - 202 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin | Message 187 of 200 26 April 2011 at 11:31pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
You are right: disagreement is not disrespect. Even the dictionary can tell us that. However, it is how you disagree that can be disrespectful. 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5334 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 188 of 200 27 April 2011 at 12:00am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I agree. Most respectfully :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5430 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 189 of 200 27 April 2011 at 12:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Respect and criticism are not incompatible. I have said on a few occasions that I find the experiment interesting and I have supported it and the OP. Mind you, I firmly believe that we are not really talking about language learning. I have called it jump-starting the learning process.
With all due respect to Sofrid Cristin, you have to admit that it's hard to swallow the statement that the OP has reached level B1 in Russian after MT Foundation over three days and little sleep. I was the one who asked for some sort of tangible manifestation of the OP's achievements in Russian. Not because I don't trust people, but simply because I am really curious to see what can be accomplished in three days. I'm not waiting to pounce on the OP with a "gotcha". O.K, it doesn't have to be Youtube, but, as I pointed out, the OP has not made the slightest mention of any issues with learning Russian. It doesn't have to be in Russian. No mention about difficulties pronouncing Russian. Nothing about the case system. Nothing at all. All the theoretical discussion may be of interest to some people -- much of it looks like gobbledygook to me --but I really don't mind it. What I do mind is that there is no longer any talk about learning Russian. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| sabotai Senior Member United States Joined 5882 days ago 391 posts - 489 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Japanese, Korean, French | Message 190 of 200 27 April 2011 at 12:43am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Some people keep talking about how Abazid wasn't treated with respect, but I found Abazid's behavior in this thread pretty disrespectful as well, and this is one of the main reasons why. He was pretty dismissive to those who didn't believe the same things he did and was quick with the insults from the start of the thread, but when people who genuinely showed an interest in the results and wanted some form of demonstration so they can see how far he had gotten, he responded to everyone with hostility and name calling. That pretty much told me all I needed to know. Edited by sabotai on 27 April 2011 at 12:44am 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6439 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 191 of 200 27 April 2011 at 12:48am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Two wrongs don't make a right. Abazid certainly could have done a number of things better in this thread, but he was also treated rather badly. Quite a few people have responded more dramatically than he did to similar treatment on this forum - which doesn't make any of this any better. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| sabotai Senior Member United States Joined 5882 days ago 391 posts - 489 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Japanese, Korean, French | Message 192 of 200 27 April 2011 at 1:01am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I'm not saying they do, just that I'm not going to look on Abazid like's he's a victim here and feel sorry for him. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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