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hrhenry
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 Message 41 of 200
07 April 2011 at 11:52pm | IP Logged 
Abazid wrote:

This thread was meant to be my journal for scribbling down my thoughts and observations based on my own reality model , But it seems that it turned into a controversy & was hijacked into what "Would" & "Wouldn't" work based on what ?

Others have mentioned it earlier, and I guess it bears repeating: When you have results, post back. We'll then be able to see if you were successful or not.

Until then, all we're seeing is posturing on your part, in spite of what many people are trying to tell you. But if you manage to come back with proof/pudding/eating, you'll get a "Bravo, well done!" from all of us.

Remember how this thread started. You are asking us to believe in what you are doing, not the other way around. We have nothing to prove to you.

So show us you can do it, instead of just talking about it. BTW, when do the 61 hours start?

R.
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rapp
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 Message 42 of 200
08 April 2011 at 3:41am | IP Logged 
Abazid wrote:

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I think you have the wrong model of what is going on here.

First, this isn't really a double-slit experiment, but rather Schrödinger's cat. And you are not the observer. You are the cat.

You previously existed in a superposition of the states "knows Russian" and "doesn't know Russian". But by starting this thread you effectively opened the box and allowed us to peer inside. Thus your waveform will collapse into one state or the other.

And if you are correct that "observer expectations & beliefs completely influence the results of the experiment", then you are doomed. We don't believe the experiment will work, so you will end up in the "doesn't know Russian" state. So you might as well not even waste your time trying.

It is just simple science.


I never said that this is a "double slit" experiment , I wanted to point out to the observer-created subjective reality model that pretty much determines how the wave collapses into particles , Hence objective reality .

And Yes ,This would be true anyways If I believe in the disbelief expressed by some of you, But it's based on nothing but common-sense based on your own realities, Hence there's no reason to believe it or disbelieve it , I'd rather be neutral .




Oh, I think you're going wrong in a couple of ways here.

First, there's no reason to believe that something in a superposed state, as you are, can observe itself and thus collapse its own waveform. Matter can't be self-observing or superposition of states would be impossible, thus undermining quantam physics and the whole rationale for you experiment. Schrödinger's cat can't keep itself alive by not looking at the geiger counter. So your belief is irrelevant.

Second, even if your belief did matter, then if it could override ours, that would mean you're in a privileged position as an observer. Somehow our observations would get averaged together, and then yours would trump that if it were different than that average. But doesn't the theory of relativity tell us that there is no privileged frame of reference? All frames have equal standing and it is just their relative values that are important. And when you've got a whole bunch of frames pushing in the direction of "it won't work", I don't see how your one frame of "yes it will" can overcome that relative force.

Sorry dude, I just think you've got the science working against you. You're pushing on the short end of the lever going "why won't this thing budge?!"
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Solfrid Cristin
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 Message 43 of 200
08 April 2011 at 1:43pm | IP Logged 
Gentlemen, may I suggest that you take it down a notch? I understand your sceptiscism, since what he is trying to do is incredible, in all senses of the word, but give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

I for one will be interested to see the results. Do I think it is probable that he will succeed - maybe not. But history is full of examples of people who were ridiculed, and then made a great discovery.

If he succeeds with just a fraction of what he sets out to do, it may be something which will be beneficial and useful to us all. May I respectfully suggest that we allow him to do what he set out to do, and then give our positive critiscism, support, or whatever we feel appropriate then?
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Splog
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 Message 44 of 200
08 April 2011 at 2:32pm | IP Logged 
Solfrid Cristin wrote:
Gentlemen, may I suggest that you take it down a notch? I
understand your sceptiscism, since what he is trying to do is incredible, in all senses
of the word, but give the guy the benefit of the doubt.


I disagree. This site is for sensible discussion about languages and language learning.
It is not a place to make blatantly erroneous connections between quantum physics and
language acquisition. Until we see compelling evidence the approach works, these claims
will certainly benefit from all of my doubt.
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Arekkusu
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 Message 45 of 200
08 April 2011 at 3:55pm | IP Logged 
Making claims in a public forum exposes you to criticism. As forum members, it's our responsibility to point out the absurdity of a claim, so those who perhaps are more enclined to believe it are at least warned.

In no way does our criticism prevent him from trying to prove his claims; in fact, doing so is his own responsibility and we don't owe him encouragement.
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josht
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 Message 46 of 200
08 April 2011 at 4:45pm | IP Logged 
Abazid wrote:
It's interesting how you could read my mind and my hidden intentions , But even if that's true what is exactly the problem with that ?


Why do you doubt that he could read your mind and know your hidden intentions? The blog that you linked to teaches telepathy, you know.
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DaraghM
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 Message 47 of 200
08 April 2011 at 4:54pm | IP Logged 
I fear that his experiment will lead to a Total waveform collapse, splitting the universe in two. In one universe, Abazid will reside speaking his languages fluently, while the rest of us remain in the old slow learning fact-based universe.



Edited by DaraghM on 08 April 2011 at 4:56pm

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josht
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 Message 48 of 200
08 April 2011 at 5:02pm | IP Logged 
DaraghM wrote:
In one universe, Abazid will reside speaking his languages fluently, while the rest of us remain in the old slow learning fact-based universe.



So basically, you're saying that we'll still be firmly grounded in reality, the one in which learning languages is extremely hard work. Abazid will be in his own world, where he can make up whatever rules he wants, whether they're actually correct or not.

Yeah, that sounds about right...


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