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| Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5693 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes  Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish | Message 65 of 200 12 April 2011 at 6:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
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If the whole project takes 81 hours, I assume we won't be hearing from him until that time period is up... plus at least an extra 24 hours to catch up on sleep, I'll bet. ;)
(Re: this thread, a voice in the back of my head keeps asking "What if he just DIED from exhaustion? We'd be on tenterhooks waiting for the results for the rest of our lives!") 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5556 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 66 of 200 12 April 2011 at 9:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I fondly recall reveling for 5 days without any sleep after the first year of summer uni exams and then passing out when I finally returned to my own room. I remember putting a "do not disturb" note on the door, hitting the pillow just after 9am, and waking up around 11pm, not realising until later when I met up with the same friends again that I'd slept over into the next day (46 hours forward on the clock and 1 massive thirst)! I can safely bet that after 81 hours or more of Michel Thomas and Pimsleur, Abazid will need to catch up on his 135 winks too (at least 40 for each day). ;) Edited by Teango on 12 April 2011 at 9:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5381 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 67 of 200 12 April 2011 at 9:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I can't imagine anyone doing 12 hours of Pimsleur and still be able to absorb any of it, never mind 81 hours. Then again, I didn't hypnotize myself or anything like that.
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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5130 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 68 of 200 12 April 2011 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
The first 10 hours of a Pimsleur course, I can see breezing through. It's pretty elementary stuff up until about the last 1/4 of a 30 lesson course. But those last 5-6 or so lessons need some time to sink in, at least in my admittedly limited experience with the course. R. == 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5381 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 69 of 200 12 April 2011 at 9:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
I meant 12 hours straight. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| aerozeplyn Senior Member United States Joined 5148 days ago 141 posts - 202 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin | Message 70 of 200 12 April 2011 at 10:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
First off, i would like to state that rapid learning is my PASSION. i wrote and had my exercise workbook published, and i am still writing my method book (which has no medical warnings by the way lol). i have experience with VERY similar learning techniques. Spoiler: i've never done the 61-hour thing. it just sounds cruel to your body and your normal daily routine, especially when other methods exist... ;)
Arekkusu, I can see that you want to help Abazid, and your information should be respected. :) Just a little suggestion: how about also respecting his willingness to share this experiment with others? :) Remember: we are all using language to share different ideas, not to mention the sane human's natural impulse is to help others with information. This, of course, is a big behavioral difference that sets us apart from...like...apes. But you know how inaccurate language can be to reflect the EXPERIENCE--after all, this IS a language forum. Let's stay away from anything ironic. If you're inclined for something to fail or be debunked, and you do not change your attitude towards a piece of information... no one will ever be able to "prove you wrong". In your mind, as long as you carry this same attitude when you are listening to new information, their language won't be processed by you trying to find the positive elements in what they are saying, rather...you'll focus on the negative elements. Well, you cannot have the positive if you only focus on the negative drawbacks. Regardless, because of this attitude the situation no longer becomes a learning, sharing, or helping experience: it then becomes a challenge, and you unconsciously close your mind to new information and new points of view. As open as you think your mind is, none of these statements are open-minded. They're some-what negative, aggressive, and challenging. Therefore, they are much less reasonable than they could be. I hope you can appreciate this tip; as I know you'd rather learn more from the universe than allow your attitude to prevent you from obtaining other positive pieces of information :) ========== - Abazid - ========== If your intention is to shut off the logical areas of your brain, there are similar methods rather than spending 40-something hours of your time to reach a 20-hour point of learning in the subconscious. This is a lot like drummers (such as Mike Mangini) spending 2-3 hours on a drumming exercise because they realized they would "learn better" and continuously perform better and better as the week went by. The purpose: exhaust yourself in order for other areas of your body and mind to reach a state of RELAXATION. This causes you to waste less energy and to learn more efficiently. Example Possibilities (related to drummers learning rapidly): * Did this huge improvement happen because the drummer spent 3 hours of practicing? Or did it happen because it took about 2.5 hours of previous practice in order for them to condition their mind to efficiently learn for the next 30 minutes? * For drummers that swear by "warming up", does the act of "warming up" really prepare their muscles for playing? Or is it actually the act of preparing their mind--the central system for commanding their limb motions--before performing the actions? So my question to you Abazid is: Why would you spend 40 hours for the sake of preparing your mind for a better state of rapid learning, when you can spend 30 minutes to an hour? My suggestion: Spend 30-minutes to an hour with a meditation or mind exercise that will help calm your mind. The calmer your mind, the less energy you will use for logical thinking. The calmer your mind, the better your mind can pull in new information. I personally utilize and swear by a technique called "Pangu Shengong". ================= - My Experience - ================= I do a similar method that is a total of 8 hours: each hour having a 15-20 minute meditation rest and maybe some water; the 4th hour (in the middle of the session) having a longer break for anything else maintenance-wise (toilet, snack, etc). My goal was not learning a spoken language, but it was muscle memory to initiate my experience of obtaining a HUGE array time/event coordination with my limbs. One time I was effectively aiming to learn to what I believed would've been 3 months worth of information INITIATED in 1 day. I say initiated because throughout the next 3-5 days, my body would still be changing due to the "initial" learning experience. No matter what, your body will still need the time to grow, and you cannot give your body that time while you are performing other tasks. So did my method work? For one thing, I only did the method because it made a lot of sense, AND I was prepared to spend the whole day doing it. I've only done this 8-hour method a few times in my life with huge success, and what I've learned in the process is: why the rush? just enjoy the process. That became my mentality anyways. I guess you could always take LSD and hire 2-3 baby-sitters to make sure you don't do anything crazy or harmful lol. Buttt then again, you might get totally distracted by other things... like where the audio engineer cut pieces of audio within the tape/MP3 :) Welp, it was fun writing...I hope this is at least a positive experience for others to read :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| aerozeplyn Senior Member United States Joined 5148 days ago 141 posts - 202 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin | Message 71 of 200 12 April 2011 at 10:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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btw, when i say "rapid learning is my PASSION" i am not referring to 8 to 61 hour sessions :) i am referring to making the best and most efficient use of your practice time.
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5556 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 72 of 200 12 April 2011 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The problem with all this audio is that there's a great temptation to drift off after a while. It's like being in infant school again and taking a short post-lunch doze on the mat whilst the teacher reads out a story. It's a completely different story if you have 6 teachers working round the clock to keep you actively engaged and awake all the time.
It's hard to stay awake through a favourite tv series marathon, not alone 3-4 continuous days of Michel Thomas and Pimsleur where there's no accompanying visual input to keep the listener alert. Ahmed's going to need a lot more than coffee to keep this going - I hope he'll be ok. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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