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| tbone Diglot Groupie United States Joined 4994 days ago 92 posts - 132 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian | Message 17 of 88 07 June 2011 at 7:14pm | IP Logged | ||
you will get used to the 2nd narrator, but it definitely took me more than one hour- two to three hours, I believe- to get comfortable each new narrator. Except for the fourth; man, I couldn't wait to finish that one... Get thru HP IV and things improve again. Edited by tbone on 07 June 2011 at 8:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| supertom Diglot Groupie Joined 4997 days ago 87 posts - 114 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: Spanish | Message 18 of 88 07 June 2011 at 7:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Also read your Dreams of Valhalla Teango para la primera vez. Really good to see that your level in Swedish increases so fast because of your previous knowledge of German. I want to try LR with German after I get to an overall level of B2 in Spanish, and since my native language is Dutch, I hope to get the same results as you with my German.
About la cámara secreta. The narrator talks without different voices. He just talks at the same tone for the whole book. Because of that, it is quite difficult to hear when he is just talking about the scene of that he is talking for Harry/Hermione etc. Also, since I don;t really know the story, I find it very difficult to follow the story or anything for that matter when I don't read along. I guess this is mainly due to my still very limited exposure to Spanish, however, the narrator doesn't help a bit with that. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| supertom Diglot Groupie Joined 4997 days ago 87 posts - 114 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: Spanish | Message 19 of 88 08 June 2011 at 5:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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08-06-2010 Día 6/10
5 horas LR Harry Potter y la cámara secreta. Total: 30 horas The book really made me laugh, so today was very easy to complete. The first 3,5 horas went by before I knew it. The last media hora was the only part that wasn't that facil. I am still finding it more difficult to follow this book than the first one. But today my comprehension was already much better than when I read the second book yesterday. So that was nice. The main difficulty comes from the fact that you just can't get any meaning from the surroundings. With this I mean that in a normal conversation or when you watch a movie, you can use things like intonation, volume of speech ect to determine part of what you are hearing. Since this narrator does everything at the same volume and intonation, you must really understand the words in order to know what he is saying. But, for the sake of learning Spanish, I don't think this is detrimental for my learning experience. six down, four more to go to get to the 50 hour mark. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| supertom Diglot Groupie Joined 4997 days ago 87 posts - 114 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: Spanish | Message 20 of 88 08 June 2011 at 11:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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Just ordered myself a copy of Assimil Spanish with Ease. I already have the audio, so in a few days I will have the book also.
I read so many good things about the program that I just couldn't let it slip. Hopefully Assimil can fill the gap I create for myself when doing LR. I just need the grammar and the vocabulary in another way too, not just by LR. Now that I am 30 hours into my first LR experiment, I feel that I am starting to get to a point where I can really say something about the LR method and not say complete nonsense. My thought on the experience so far is that my level of Spanish is increasing far faster than I could have guessed before. I mean, only 6 days in and I already am able to understand the main and sub-plots of HP1, that is great! By using LR as one of your main methods of learning, you loose all fear you have for the language. That is, many people (from what I have read) get stuck in their safe zone and keep thinking that they aren't ready for native materials. And then when they finally get to really speak to someone, the shut down because they aren't used to it. By doing LR, you notice that Spanish is just another language and that it ain't rocket science. It is something that you CAN learn, you just have to fill the gaps. And by using LR, you spot your weaknesses really easily. This because you face them so many times. LR is also a great way to get the knowledge you already have of the language to a (almost) native level. So when you have already learned a lot of verbs and how to conjugate them, you will start to notice them again and again and again when using LR to the point that it becomes natural to use it that way. I hope that what I just said made any sense;) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| supertom Diglot Groupie Joined 4997 days ago 87 posts - 114 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: Spanish | Message 21 of 88 08 June 2011 at 11:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Also, my knowledge on how to use assimil to the best effect is quite limited. If there is someone reading my log, maby you can help me out here? Thanks!
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| tibbles Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5194 days ago 245 posts - 422 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Korean | Message 22 of 88 09 June 2011 at 6:35am | IP Logged | ||
There has been a lot of discussion of this matter in the forums because while the instructions in Assimil outline what to do, few details are provided. The one exception I think was in a Dutch related text in which a rather large number of permutations of listening and reading were spelled out. For the most part, people who manage to stick with Assimil converge on a routine that serves their own unique needs. In my case what I do are these steps: 1. Listen to audio (book closed) 2. Listen to audio again while reading Spanish text, and glance at English if needed. 3. Read notes on grammar, usage, new vocabulary, etc. 4. Read aloud text in Spanish. 5. Read aloud again (should feel easier). 6. Commit difficult new words to memory. 7. Do exercises and perform written translation of English dialog to Spanish (if in active phase). All of this takes maybe 30 minutes. Also, in step #6 I use Iversen's word list approach to memorize the hard new words so that I will be able to recall them during the L1->L2 written translation in step #7. The number of hard words varies. It is zero for some lessons but seems to be around 7-8 for me after lesson 50 or so. There was one tough lesson that had something like 21 new words. But again, consider everything I said just as a suggested starting point and feel free to adapt the material to the way that you learn best. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| supertom Diglot Groupie Joined 4997 days ago 87 posts - 114 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: Spanish | Message 23 of 88 09 June 2011 at 4:03pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks Tibbles! Input is really appreciated on the Assimil matter.
Since I have put in so many passive hours already, I don't think I will do the passive wave of Assimil, only the active one. My passive vocab is probably already pretty large and will continue to grow, but my active knowledge is lacking. So your schedule looks good in that aspect! Thanks again! Today, I finished la cámara secreta for the first time. Really exciting to read new books, you just want to keep reading. Now working my second wave through this book. mY comprehension is growing with this book and following the narrator becomes easier with every hour I put into it. 09-06-2011 Día 7/10 5 horas LR Harry Potter y la cámara secreta Total: 35 horas Seven down, three to go! 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tbone Diglot Groupie United States Joined 4994 days ago 92 posts - 132 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish, Russian | Message 24 of 88 09 June 2011 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Do you go straight for five hours or spread it out with breaks during the day? I've found it hard to last more than an
hour at a time, with six hours total being a really good day. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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