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Is French really easier than English?

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ScottScheule
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 Message 25 of 131
14 June 2011 at 8:07pm | IP Logged 
Haldor wrote:
@(All of you guys), what the *** is a phrasal verb?


You see, when a normal verb and a preposition love each other very much... they get together and...


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Jon1991
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 Message 26 of 131
14 June 2011 at 9:27pm | IP Logged 
French is in my opinion. Although I' am a native English speaker so I'm biased.

French has awful spelling.
French has genders.
French has nasty verb conjuctions.
French pronounciation I have found to be much harder than other languages I have studied (Spanish and Russian).


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tractor
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 Message 27 of 131
14 June 2011 at 9:58pm | IP Logged 
Jon1991 wrote:
French has awful spelling.

Compared to English, even French spelling seems beautiful and logical.

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French has genders.

Never thought of genders as something particularly complicated, but then, English is the only gender-less
language I've ever learnt (apart from computer languages).

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French has nasty verb conjuctions.

True. All Romance languages have nasty conjugations.

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pronounciation I have found to be much harder than other languages I have studied (Spanish and
Russian).

French pronunciation is indeed complicated, but when you see a French word written, you can at least normally
figure out more or less how it should be pronounced. When you see an unknown English word, however, it's all
guesswork, and you'll have to consult a dictionary with IPA transcriptions to know for sure.


Edited by tractor on 14 June 2011 at 10:53pm

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ScottScheule
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 Message 28 of 131
14 June 2011 at 10:15pm | IP Logged 
tractor wrote:
Never thought of genders as something particularly complicated, but then, English is the only gender-less language I've ever learnt (apart from computer languages).


I don't think anyone's claiming it's complicated, but it is more work to have to not only memorize vocabulary but also remember the gender thereof.

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All Romance languages have nasty conjugations.


Hmm, never struck me as particularly difficult. I find Russian more trying with its chaotic stress shifts.

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French pronunciation is indeed complicated, but when you see a French word written. you can at least normally figure out more or less how it should be pronounced. When you see an unknown English word, however, it's all guesswork, and you'll have to consult a dictionary with IPA transcriptions to know for sure.


Agreed. French is pleasingly phonetic when compared to English. Liaison provides some difficulties, but even then there are a small set of rules that governs most situations.
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 Message 29 of 131
14 June 2011 at 11:37pm | IP Logged 
Haldor wrote:
phrasal verbs are logic and easily used once you've figured them out,

That's exactly the point - they aren't. What makes you believe they are logical is that you are used to them.


ScottScheule wrote:
tractor wrote:
Never thought of genders as something particularly complicated, but then, English is the only gender-less language I've ever learnt (apart from computer languages).


I don't think anyone's claiming it's complicated, but it is more work to have to not only memorize vocabulary but also remember the gender thereof.

... actually, it isn't? Gender (or any other kind of word class) is simply a part of a word, like its meaning, its pronuncation, its spelling and its the register it is to be used in. Word class by itself doesn't make it more work to remember a word, unless, like in German, many of the indicators are re-used (like die (fem sg) and die (mas/fem/neu pl) - it takes more occurances of a word to figure out its gender/have it cemented in your brain).

Edited by Bao on 14 June 2011 at 11:46pm

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Lucky Charms
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 Message 30 of 131
15 June 2011 at 4:40am | IP Logged 
I would love to see the opinion of someone who speaks neither a Romance nor a Germanic
language as a native language.

But even then, I'm afraid that the issue would be compounded by their exposure to English
at an early age.
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Ojorolla
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 Message 31 of 131
15 June 2011 at 12:50pm | IP Logged 
I may be wrong, but aside from what other people said, I feel that most English words have a quite broad range of meanings every time I consult the dictionary. Not so much with French ones.

Edited by Ojorolla on 15 June 2011 at 12:50pm

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L1539
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 Message 32 of 131
15 June 2011 at 3:23pm | IP Logged 
I don't think English or French is harder in an absolute, objective sense. For someone who's learning both, it will depend on many things--native language, level of interest, etc.

A better question to ask would probably be: On average, is it harder for a native English speaker to learn French or a native French speaker to learn English (assuming that both people have roughly equal language learning ability, motivation, access to resources, opportunity to practice, etc.)? I don't know the answer to this.


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