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| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6532 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 73 of 101 03 October 2011 at 4:36pm | IP Logged |
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I see what you mean about the translation, it drifts a bit in places.
The scanner is a Canon dr-5010c. It makes things pretty easy: you cut off the spine of the book with a heavy duty guillotine (a sad thing to do, I know), and it scans the loose sheets on both sides in just a few minuites. I have come to understand that Google Docs is not really what is needed for the site. It is really meant for internal use by businesses, and if you would like to have more than 10 users accessing the shared documents, there are fees of $50/user/year to pay. There are a number of alternatives. A full online spreadsheet program is not needed (formulas, charts etc.), just basic editing. An interesting list of options is here: http://www.wirelust.com/2009/02/25/finding-a-good-web-based- excel-like-grid/ If this is difficult to set up, I will set up a very simple site with a script to list the contents of a directory on the web server, and the facility to upload files. If anyone knows of a good source of scripts for this, please let me know. This is less convinient, and revision control will probably be an issue, but something needs to be set up quickly. Edited by DavidW on 03 October 2011 at 5:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6532 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 74 of 101 03 October 2011 at 4:47pm | IP Logged |
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With the scanner, I will be able to post high-quality scans of public domain language
books also, such as the older teach yourself and linguaphone courses. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5871 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 75 of 101 04 October 2011 at 9:15am | IP Logged |
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Doitsujin, if you want to upload what you've done so far I think I'm going to try to start proofreading the first part of the book.
Btw, Google docs may not be a viable option in the long run, but for the time being there don't appear to be ten people working on the project. At least until something better comes up, it may be worthwhile to register an account (or however it works) just to start working on some of the first texts. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6532 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 76 of 101 05 October 2011 at 5:30pm | IP Logged |
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I've been doing some further research into different web software. One approach would
have been to set up a Wordpress/MediaWiki/phpBB site, similar to what librivox uses. Another kind of software, 'project management web applications,' provide similar functions, but in a more closely integrated way, and are organized around 'projects.' I've set up an installation of 'Redmine.' It seems to fit the needs of this project quite well. Take a look, and register, if you like, here: http://www.omilia.org/ The software is free for an unlimited number of users. Unfortunately, it doesn't provide online editing of documents, like Google Docs. If anyone has any suggestions for a better system, please let me know. I will start fleshing out the site tomorrow, and try to decide how things will be organized. I'm thinking to have one default project, visible to all, which will contain all the finished PDF files, forums for book suggestions, and a wiki with general information. Then, there will be a private project for every language pair, managed by a single person, who will decide on books, delegate the editing of aligned texts, and arrange the compensation for the editors. Edited by DavidW on 05 October 2011 at 6:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6476 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 77 of 101 05 October 2011 at 7:06pm | IP Logged |
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You can use the LR Wiki (MediaWiki) to work on texts if you want.
http://lr.learnlangs.com 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5871 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 78 of 101 05 October 2011 at 11:36pm | IP Logged |
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I think it'd be nice to at least keep the finished texts in the lr wiki.
Here are a few other options I've found: http://thinkfree.com (edit/share documents online) http://www.alfresco.com/ http://www.o3spaces.com/ (an extension to OpenOffice for "document collaboration and sharing") http://www.simple-groupware.de/ ("an open source enterprise groupware that offers ... document management, project management, ...") https://abicollab.net/ (I think it requires the "Abiword" word processor, perhaps it's similar to O3 Spaces?) http://fengoffice.com/ (office suite and more) Also, while it may not be the best option, we could try setting up an SVN to collaborate, or perhaps have each "subgroup" create it's own Google Docs account (an En-De group, an De-Es group, a Ru-It group, etc. each with its own space, though limited to ten people). EDIT: Updated to make links clickable Edited by Crush on 05 October 2011 at 11:37pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6532 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 79 of 101 07 October 2011 at 3:10pm | IP Logged |
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The LR Wiki is a great idea, but I think it would be better to use it to collect
together information about different sites hosting bilingual texts. Omilia.org can deal with the nuts-and-bolts of producing bilingual texts, and possibly other kinds of language materials too. For this, forums and file hosting is very useful. I've been traulling the net, there are hundreds of similar services. I can't seem to find anything more suited than Redmine. Revision control of documents can be added with a plug-in, as can IM features, and OpenID login. There's also a Google Docs plug-in, but it's for an older version of Redmine. I took a look at the links you posted, but they all seemed to have various drawbacks (cost, unnecessary features etc.). Edited by DavidW on 07 October 2011 at 3:10pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| DavidW Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6532 days ago 318 posts - 458 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French, Italian, Persian, Malay Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, German, Urdu | Message 80 of 101 07 October 2011 at 5:13pm | IP Logged |
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The first six texts have been uploaded to the site. The 'r0' ending on the filename means
it is 'revision 0' of the text (i.e. unedited). For each sucessive upload, you can use r1, r2, r3 etc. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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