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| Emiliana Diglot Groupie Germany Joined 5114 days ago 81 posts - 98 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Arabic (classical) | Message 25 of 78 03 October 2011 at 10:37pm | IP Logged |
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hey napoleon!
don't worry, here i am with my update: i am on lesson 53 of assimil (french) right now. i have to admit that i can't proceed as fast as i was used anymore. the lessons are getting too complicated. also when i started the second wave i found it a bit frustrating. i am not really bad in translating, but still i get so many small details wrong (e.g. i write e instead of é etc.). when i think of the lessons around 30 or 40 i really wonder what i will still remember... and i am not a complete beginner in french! i wonder how you guys who start from scratch get along with it. anyway, i am still making a big progress, but on the other hand it is difficult to force oneself EVERY DAY to study. napoleon, what do you mean with "lu"-sounds? ah and arabic: i am still stuck with unit 1 ;). i really need a lot of energy to work through this badly written texts... then scroll down for the vocab, scroll back. etc. pp. it is a free course so i should not bother but it is not very easy to work with it, though. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4889 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 26 of 78 03 October 2011 at 11:02pm | IP Logged |
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I struggled through Chapter 6 of Written Arabic. And I do mean struggled! The
sentences are still basic, but there are no translations given and the grammar notes are minimal. Once I finally figured out the patterns it was a pretty easy chapter. Now I'm part way through Chapter Seven, which has the 2idafa / possessive construction. It's easy, but so dated, and so boring. Idris is the King of Libya. The king of Libya, he is Idris The Sudan is a successful republic. and then zonk, I fall asleep. Only to wake up to ... جمال عبد الناصر رئيس الجومهيريياتة العربية المتحدة Jamal 3abdu al-na9r 7ussein ra2isu al-jumuhiruyatu al-3arabiti al-mutta7ida Jamal Abdu Nasr Hussein is the president of the United Arab Republic. Which is quite a mouthful for a beginner student. I'm very glad they changed the name to "ma9r." It's so much easier to say. I should finish Chapter 7 tonight, and then tackle Chapter 8 this week. They introduce verbs, and the recordings for Chapter 8 are missing. Should be a challenge! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4889 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 27 of 78 03 October 2011 at 11:07pm | IP Logged |
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Emiliana - the Active wave of Assimil does get easier once you get the hang of it! My
first couple translations were full of errors. Now (I'm around Chapter 34 active) I still make lots of errors with prepositions (de and a), and accents, but usually only miss one or two words. It definitely forced me to pay attention to the smaller detains, the ones you miss when you're just repeating the dialogues. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Emiliana Diglot Groupie Germany Joined 5114 days ago 81 posts - 98 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Arabic (classical) | Message 28 of 78 03 October 2011 at 11:16pm | IP Logged |
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aaaaaaah good to know that "the united arabic republic" is actually egypt!!! i was already wondering... btw i am at lesson two on mwa now. nice two see that i am not the only one who is struggling sometimes. this is a real advantage of this group, i always get motivated when i read about the progress of you guys!
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| napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5016 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 29 of 78 04 October 2011 at 6:11am | IP Logged |
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Lu vs le, vu vs ve, nu vs ne, su vs se, du vs de, etc. I am having trouble differentiating between such pairs of syllables in French.
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| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4889 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 30 of 78 04 October 2011 at 8:42am | IP Logged |
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Napoleon - You're doing Assimil, right? I don't think getting all the sounds right is
super important in the beginning for that system. Unlike FSI, which considers poor pronunciation and a bad accent "grievous errors that must be corrected at once." (I read that in the Spanish Basic - it's such a different mind set than today, yeah?) Emiliana - I don't have the perfect system for the Arabic, but what kind of works for me is: day 1 I listen to the tape and repeat, even if I don't understand it. day 2 + I transcribe what I can, and translate what I can. Sometimes this takes a couple days - I might only get through five or ten sentences! Sometimes I use the tape, sometimes I just read. day 3ish: I read the supplemental sentences. This is pretty easy after the above steps! Just stick at it, and plod on through!!! I'm not worried about understanding much at this point. I figure, Arabic is a language for the long haul, and rushing it, or stressing about it, will lead to giving up. Just, we'll do our little bit each day, one day at a time, and we'll see where we get!!! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5016 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 31 of 78 04 October 2011 at 11:31am | IP Logged |
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@kanewai:I'm also doing FSI French Phonology along with Assimil.
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| Emiliana Diglot Groupie Germany Joined 5114 days ago 81 posts - 98 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Arabic (classical) | Message 32 of 78 04 October 2011 at 12:39pm | IP Logged |
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"e" in french (like in le, ve etc.) is usually pronounced like "i" in the English word "bird" or the "u" in "murder" (when it comes to spelling englsh is reeeeally a weird language btw.)... in German the sound is represented by the letter "ö".
regarding the french "u" sound i can't figure out any matching English word that contains this sound (maybe kanewai can help out here), in German it is the same like the letter "ü". 1 person has voted this message useful |
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