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| Homogenik Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4822 days ago 314 posts - 407 votes  Speaks: French*, English Studies: Polish, Mandarin | Message 65 of 115 31 March 2012 at 12:15am | IP Logged | |||||
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I didn't know that one, thanks, pretty funny. I can't say I've seen many Czech films though!
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| Homogenik Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4822 days ago 314 posts - 407 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Polish, Mandarin | Message 66 of 115 31 March 2012 at 4:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't know where I found the following expressions because I've been building a file from different sources, but
anyway here are a few idiomatic expressions : azjatycki tygrys : beautiful and strong baba-grzmot : an old woman always angry baba-jaga : witch baba-jędza : mean witch babcia klozetowa : ??? babie lato : indian summer babskie gadanie : talking, chatting bać się jak diabeł święconej wody : to fight like a devil in sacred water bać się jak ognia : to be very afraid bać się o swoją skórę : to be self-centered bać się o własną dupę : to be self-centered bać się spojrzeć w oczy : to be shy bać się własnego cienia : to be afraid of one's shadow bajońskie sumy : ??? baju, baju, będziesz w raju : to be happy balansować na krawędzi przepaści : to find balance near a pitfall balansować na skraju przepaści : to find balance near a pitfall barania głowa : idiot barani łeb : idiot bawić się czyimś kosztem : to have fun at the expense of someone bawić się z kimś w ciuciubabkę : to play hide and seek with someone bawić się z kimś w kotka i myszkę : to play like cat and mouse bazyliszkowy wzrok : glaring look 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| RealPolish Newbie Poland realpolish.pl Joined 4985 days ago 4 posts - 8 votes Speaks: Polish* Studies: English | Message 67 of 115 02 April 2012 at 11:47am | IP Logged | |||||
babcia klozetowa: woman who works at public WC, cleaner bajońskie sumy: very expensive some corrections: bać się własnego cienia : to be afraid of one's shadow -> be very shy, timid baju, baju, będziesz w raju : you are pulling my leg (using mostly by children) Edited by RealPolish on 02 April 2012 at 11:56am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Homogenik Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4822 days ago 314 posts - 407 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Polish, Mandarin | Message 68 of 115 05 April 2012 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks RealPolish for the correction, very appreciated.
Here are my charts of study time updated with february and march. I'm proud to say I "saved the boat", so to speak, in march. for november : average polish : 95,3 min/day average chinese : 18,5 min/day average total : 114 min/day total minutes : 3415 for december : average polish : 63 min/day average chinese : 21 min/day average total : 84 min/day total minutes : 2610 for january : average polish : 58 min/day average chinese : 12 min/day average total : 70 min/day total minutes : 2170 for february : average polish : 57 min/day average chinese : 20 min/day average total : 77 min/day total minutes : 2245 for march : average polish : 100 min/day average chinese : 30 min/day average total : 130 min/day total minutes : 4010 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tozick Diglot Groupie Poland Joined 6360 days ago 44 posts - 69 votes Speaks: Polish*, English | Message 69 of 115 05 April 2012 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
'azjatyckie tygrysy' is a name for South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore used mostly in journalism; it stems from their rapid economical growth in the 2nd half of the 20th century now other countries of the region are sometimes called that aswell bać się spojrzeć w oczy has more to do with being afraid and ashamed than shy; saying that someone 'bał sie spojrzeć w oczy' implies that one had done something and because of that one was afraid of looking another person in the eyes 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Homogenik Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4822 days ago 314 posts - 407 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Polish, Mandarin | Message 70 of 115 11 April 2012 at 6:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As far as time spent is concerned, april starts off like a tygrys, so, in a way, april could end up being a prawdziwy
kanadyjski tygrys... Anyway, I'm now at lesson 5 in Hurra level 3 : lessons 1 to 4 were surprisingly easy and I went through them very quickly, it was mostly just a question of vocabulary. I am kind of hopeless regarding the learning of massive amounts of new vocabulary. I don't think it's worth doing all the drills that I could be doing outside of the textbook, by myself, in order to learn all the new vocabulary to perfection. It would take hours a day and I don't want to spend all that time reviewing when I can just go forward and still be able to develop. It's more fun. In lesson 4, I did have some trouble with a new grammar point : składnia liczebników, or the use of numerals. I especially have trouble with understanding collective numerals as neither french nor English has them. For instance: Dwaj mężczyźni czekają w kolejce (Two men are waiting in line) Dwóch mężczyn czeka w kolejce (Two men wait in line) I can't understand very well the semantic difference and I couldn't find anything worthwhile on the net or in my books about this... If anyone can contribute an explanation and some help as to when one form should be used and when should the other. What I like especially about the Hurra books at this point is the quality of the information regarding themes and polish culture. Book 1 is very basic obviously, but already in book 2 things get more interesting and thoughtful. And in book three, the subject matter becomes more abstract : the learning process, the kodeks pracy (labor code), living abroad (and how many polish people live in other countries), economic changes in Poland (and the various opinions polish people have about it), the political structure in Poland and the constitution, and even how polish people view other realities like homosexuality for instance (that's especially meaningful to me, being a gay man, that the authors added that in the book). The way the themes are addressed is remarkable in the sense that it shows the various opinions of contemporary polish people on contemporary issues (often related to history and the past). Since the country has been redefining itself for some years, since 89 especially of course (end of communism), such an approach is incredibly relevant and makes language learning a more fulfilling experience because we also learn a lot about the country, practical things like what food people eat, sure, but more importantly what matters to them, what worries them, what they look forward to, etc. I'm certain that this should be part of any language learning experience. It's like compound exercises : with the same movement, cumulate all the gain you can get. Vocabulary question : what does pojemniczka means? I know it's a kind of measure, but I can't really find what it is... As for chinese, I've received my Basic Spoken and Basic Written Chinese books (it totals 4 books) and have started a little (in fact, I started a bit too much because I was excited...). Turns out it seems to be a very balanced course, a very thorough introduction with various learning activities, a ton of recordings and even videos (although these seem secondary and not quite well done). Each lesson features just a few new vocabulary and deconstructs everything. Same thing with the writing part, only 6 new characters per lesson. That creates, in my opinion, a better learning experience because you can more easily and more quickly finish a lesson and advance, thus creating a positive feeling of accomplishment. If I had to plow through a never ending lesson featuring 25 new characters and as many new words to learn, I would never see the end of it and might quit. So I'm glad I chose this method, at least for now. Since I've been studying a little up until now (with Memrise and Pimsleur notably), many words and characters are familiar so it should make things a little less brutal. We'll see... I'm still suffering through the end of Pimsleur One, lessons 29 and 30 jabbing at my knees... 我去办一点日事! Edited by Homogenik on 11 April 2012 at 6:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 71 of 115 11 April 2012 at 9:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
As far as I know, these -aj/-ej numerals are used only in Polsh and Slovak in nominative. This may have something to do with the hypothesized distinction between animate and inanimate nouns in Proto-Indo-European which would have then been reinterpreted broadly with masculine beings replacing animate and everything else replacing inanimate. In Polish and Slovak this distinction is sharper with 2 to 4 masculine humans requiring different modifiers compared to nouns of the same quantity (this may be the messy result of Polish and Slovak having lost the dual as dwaj reminds me of how Sorbs use dwaj to refer to two masculine objects and the dual masculine nominative ending -aj/-ej, but I digress). The bottom line is that it's grammatical in standard Polish (and standard Slovak) to use dwaj/trzej/czterej/obaj (dvaja/traja/štyria/obaja in Slovak) with masculine personal nouns in nominative. Masculine personal nouns in accusative take modifiers that are identical to those for masculine genitive plural. I first encountered the concept in Slovak and later in Polish. In both instances I just did some exercises and soon got used to it. E.g. Dwa/trzy/cztery/oba samochody są przy drzewie. (masculine non-personal nominative plural) Dwaj/trzej/czterej/obaj chłopcy są przy drzewie. (masculine personal nominative plural) Dwóch/trzech/czterech/obu chłopców jest przy drzewie. (masculine personal genitive plural)** ** A colloquial alternative to dwaj/trzej/czterej/obaj is to use the genitive-accusative-locative look-alike forms dwóch/trzech/czterech/obu. If you stick to this less formal use, then the verb will be reinterpreted as singular. It may have something to do with using something commonly associated with the genitive plural (i.e. dwóch/trzech/czterech/obu) which conventionally takes verbs in singular too. Widzę dwa/trzy/cztery/oba samochody. (masculine non-personal accusative plural) Widzę dwóch/trzech/czterech/obu chłopców. (masculine personal accusative plural) For reference see how it's done in Polish and Slovak. In comparison, look at p. 38 here to see how Czech lacks this feature. Dwaj etc. aren't collective numerals per se since those refer to numerals modifying nouns referring to groups of males and females or a group/herd/flock/gaggle/etc. of young animals which are viewed as "genderless" (sexually immature?).
If I'm reading this correctly, pojemniczek is a small container or measuring cup (from pojemnik). Are you seeing this in a phrase such as here? ("Do wysokiego pojemniczka włóż biały ser i dodaj śmietane"). Pojemniczka here is the genitive singular of pojemniczek. Edited by Chung on 11 April 2012 at 9:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Homogenik Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4822 days ago 314 posts - 407 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Polish, Mandarin | Message 72 of 115 11 April 2012 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
Thanks, I thought it might be colloquial, but still... Are both forms interchangeable? On Wikipedia it says this :
But some examples in my book don't conform to this : Dwóch mężczyzn czeka w kolejce. Dwóch dyrektorów spotyka się w sprawie strajku. We can't think that mężczyzna implies men and women, obviously... So is it just a question of style then? As for other types of numerals, I kind of get it but it hasn't sunk in yet. I know that with one it goes: jeden student (masc. personal) jeden pies (masc. impers.) jedno dziecko (neutral) &nb sp; jedna kobieta (fem.) ; &n bsp; and with the plural : — dwaj, trzej, czterej studenci (masc. personal) ... pięciu, sześciu (and higher, + genitive) studentów (masc. personal) — dwa, trzy, cztery psy (masc. impers.) ... pięć, sześć (and higher, + genitive) psów (masc. impers.) — dwoje, troje, czworo krzesła (neutral) ... pięć, sześć (and higher, + genitive) krzeseł (neutral) — dwie, trzy, cztery kobiety (fem.) ... pięć, sześć (and higher, + genitive) kobiet (fem.) And after collective numerals (dwoje, troje, czworo, sześcioro, siedmioro, ośmioro...), the noun is always genitive plural. Maybe I did some mistakes here... this is so complicated (my head exploded a little bit just now). And as for pojemniczek, yeah, it seems to be used in przepisy, recipes. But I still don't know what kind of measure it is. Is it the equivalent of the french tasse? It just translates to container... I won't be making those recipes right now. Edited by Homogenik on 11 April 2012 at 9:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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