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| xaled Tetraglot Newbie Morocco Joined 4707 days ago 9 posts - 31 votes Speaks: Arabic (classical), Arabic (Maghribi)*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 81 of 93 29 December 2011 at 9:54pm | IP Logged | ||
You're welcome :) Spanish and French grammars aren't completely different, there are lot of similarities between them, specially in tenses.. And almost 2 thirds of their vocab differ only in pronunciation. I think the same is between Moroccan and Egyptian.. I'll give you some examples: -->Interrogatives, eg: What are you doing? * Egyptian: [inta] bete3ml eeh? * Moroccan: sh-ka-t3mel [nta]? or shennu ka-t3mel [nta]? note that in Morrocan the verb "to do" is generally (dar) and not (3mel) but i used this one to show the difference. Why did you do this? * Egyptian: [inta] 3emelti keda leeh? * Moroccan: 3lash 3melti hakda? --> Verb conjugation, eg: I am walking * Egyptian: ba-tmashsha * Moroccan: ka-ntmeshsha eg: We're walking * Egyptian: be-netmashsha * Moroccan: ka-ntmeshshaw Note that in Arabic and some other dialects (like Algerian and Tunisian) the present prefixes (ka) and (ba) doesn't exist, the verb is used directly. For vocab, i did explained in the previous post that a the majority of Arabic terms are common between the two dialects, but the pronunciation generally differs. Here are some examples: Egyptian --|-- Moroccan --|-- English ------------------------------------------ gebna ;; jben ;; cheese ahwa ;; 9ahwa ;; coffee shay ;; atai ;; tea mayyah ;; ma ;; water shahr ;; shhar ;; month And there are words that both have Arabic origin but they aren't the same like: Egyptian --|-- Moroccan --|-- English ------------------------------------------ laban ;; 7liib ;; milk yoom ;; nhar ;; day masa ;; 3shiyya ;; afternoon gamoosa ;; ba9ra ;; cow And finally there are lot of French loan words in Moroccan as i said earlier.. I hope this gives you a good idea.. Edited by xaled on 02 January 2012 at 11:20am 8 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| SmilingStraw Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4902 days ago 35 posts - 37 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Arabic (Written) | Message 82 of 93 30 December 2011 at 12:11am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks, Xaled! :)
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| SmilingStraw Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4902 days ago 35 posts - 37 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Arabic (Written) | Message 83 of 93 01 January 2012 at 1:29am | IP Logged | ||
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Xaled, are you familiar with Hassaniya Arabic?
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| xaled Tetraglot Newbie Morocco Joined 4707 days ago 9 posts - 31 votes Speaks: Arabic (classical), Arabic (Maghribi)*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 84 of 93 02 January 2012 at 11:18am | IP Logged | ||
As i said before, i don't understand most of Hassani Arabic, even though it's the dialect of south Morocco. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6053 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 85 of 93 02 January 2012 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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Excellent thread. I have a couple of questions of my own:
@Humdereel:
Could you please elaborate on the way they did word (or express) it? I'm quite curious. @Xaled: Even though someone already asked you, and you said you know little about it, I'd really like you to say how you find Hassani Arabic to be different from your own dialect. Is it the words? The pronounciation? Your insight would be appreciated. Thank you both in advance. Edited by Luso on 02 January 2012 at 7:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| xaled Tetraglot Newbie Morocco Joined 4707 days ago 9 posts - 31 votes Speaks: Arabic (classical), Arabic (Maghribi)*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 86 of 93 03 January 2012 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | ||
It's alleged that Hassani is the closest dialect to Arabic, due to the geographic isolation.. It's partially correct, because, in spite of the Spanish and French colonization of the Sahara, there are few loan words in the Hassani dialect compared to other Arabic dialects. However, Hassani, like other dialects, have different conjugation, structures and expressions.. I used to ask my Mauritanians friends who studied with me, to translate some sentences to their dialects.. Even though most of it words are Arabic, there are some major deformations in their use like all the other dialects. There is also the factor of pronunciation, since the Bedouin talk tend to be unclear.. It's like the difference between city and rural talk. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4881 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 87 of 93 03 January 2012 at 10:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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This is interesting - I just say a movie set in modern Tunis, and some of the French-
speaking characters were taking classes in ""modern Arabic" at the University. I didn't realize that spoken Arabic was so different from Derja that people needed to take a class in it! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6053 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 88 of 93 04 January 2012 at 3:03pm | IP Logged | ||
Thank you for your reply. I find this to be particularly interesting because of historical reasons. Let me elaborate a little: as you know, the city of Timbuktu was one very important cultural and commercial centre, back in medieval times. And, since some of the most important trade routes were completely independent of the Maghrib, it's understandable that the local dialect(s) would have evolved on their own. I'm not stating that there were not points in common with today's Morocco, far from it. The network was complete on that side too. I'm just saying that, due to trans-saharan routes, the Mauritanian region was far "closer" to the Arabic peninsula than we may think. Edited by Luso on 04 January 2012 at 3:07pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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