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| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6580 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 9 of 67 02 December 2011 at 7:31am | IP Logged | |||||
Really? I've never heard it, and I send a message to my girlfriend (HKer). She replied (pasting from my phone): ＂你好＂就會講。。但唔會講＂你好嗎＂. Maybe it's used, but it doesn't seem very common … 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5306 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 10 of 67 02 December 2011 at 9:13am | IP Logged | |||||
你好 and 你好嗎 are different things, you use them in different situations. Edited by smallwhite on 02 December 2011 at 9:34am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| zhanglong Senior Member United States Joined 4927 days ago 322 posts - 427 votes Studies: Mandarin, Cantonese | Message 11 of 67 07 December 2011 at 1:30am | IP Logged | |||||
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Day 10:
I've finished Pimsleur Cantonese; all that remains now is to practice the material so that I can say Pimsleur 30 with the same ease as Pimsleur 01. Surprisingly enough, as many others on the site have mentioned, there is not a lot of vocabulary; the chief benefit to the Pimsleur method is to adopt the right accent from the beginning and be able to speak from the first day of your language studies. Especially for a language with few written learning materials (as compared to Mandarin), Pimsleur lets me hear the language in my head and become familiar with it so that I can evaluate new materials from a better perspective. As a side note, I listened to one of the lessons with a native Mandarin speaker who just couldn't reproduce the sound. My friend had too much interference from her L1; while she understood the dialogues, the Mandarin intonation kept throwing off her listening and speaking. She literally couldn't hear the differences between the original source and what she was saying. I wonder how much *I* can't hear when I try to do it. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| zhanglong Senior Member United States Joined 4927 days ago 322 posts - 427 votes Studies: Mandarin, Cantonese | Message 12 of 67 18 December 2011 at 5:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
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This week, I learned that Guangzhou is the city of the five rams. According to legend, five immortals descended to Guangzhou and gave to its citizens five different grains, so that Guangzhou would never suffer from hunger. Upon granting their gift, the five immortals either turned into goats or left on goats. A statue commemorating the event is in Yuexiu Park.
--- Saw this online and with the help of Cantofish, I assume that it's talking about the banning of Cantonese from public broadcasts, but I'd love to learn more. 【on.cc 東方互動 專訊】 去年廣州當局建議禁止電視及電台播廣東話節 目，事件引起廣州大多數市民抗議而告一段落 ，但「廢粵」風波卻又死灰復燃。廣東省政府 近日頒布政令，規定由明年3月1日起，全省廣 節目、公務員和集體活動等，均須採用普通 ；企業、商品名稱及招牌亦不得使用繁體字 否則將受到行政處罰。當局巨棒之下，潮汕 言亦難幸免。網上連日罵聲一片，去年在廣 引爆的數千人「撐粵語」街頭怒火勢將延燒 有意見認為，當局一意孤行，本港或將成粵 最後堡壘；但悲觀意見則認為，回歸後的香 ，亦終將淪陷。 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lynxrunner Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States crittercryptics.com Joined 5920 days ago 361 posts - 461 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish*, French Studies: Russian, Swedish, Haitian Creole | Message 13 of 67 18 December 2011 at 9:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I wish you the best of luck with your Cantonese studies. How do you find the tones? I can
hear the tones in Mandarin when they are spoken in isolation, but in actual sentences I basically just cannot do it. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6580 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 14 of 67 18 December 2011 at 10:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
Here's the gist: The Chinese government tried to restrict Cantonese broadcasting last year before the Asian Games in Canton, but backed down due to public outrage and demonstrations on the streets. The governor of Guangdong said that this was just an attempt to make things easier for visitors to the city during the games. There was no movement to "abolish Cantonese". In fact, the governor himself was studying Cantonese (yes, that's right. The governor of Guangzhou doesn't speak Cantonese)! With the games now behind them and the public eye no longer on Canton, the government tries again. From March next year, the majority of broadcasts, public assemblies and even internet audio and video must be in Mandarin, and all signs and products must use simplified characters (traditional characters are still quite popular in the south). Failure to comply will get you locked up. The article says that Hong Kong will be the last bastion of Cantonese, but since the special status of Hong Kong ends in 2047, people fear it's just a matter of time before Cantonese starts to be phased out there, as well. And of course, if Taiwan is to "return" to China, the same fate might await Taiwanese. Needless to say, this news has made me very sad and very angry.Language death is in itself a very sad thing, but deliberate language murder? That makes me froth at the mouth. Edited by Ari on 18 December 2011 at 10:03pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| zhanglong Senior Member United States Joined 4927 days ago 322 posts - 427 votes Studies: Mandarin, Cantonese | Message 15 of 67 19 December 2011 at 6:53am | IP Logged | |||||
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Lynxrunner, right now, I am just listening for gist, so as far as the tones of Cantonese are concerned, I'm probably clueless. I currently have limited understanding of Cantonese because even in Guangzhou, so many people speak Mandarin. When I display my A1 Cantonese, local people are shocked that I even bother with it since other, non-Guangdong Chinese people never do.
Ari, I remember the demonstrations in the streets of Guangzhou last summer. I really can't believe the government is doing this. It's...astounding to me. What's even more chilling is this: "Failure to comply will get you locked up." In one of my classes, students asked me about the novel, 1984. I told them it was a novel about a government that had no opposition, involved itself in every aspect of their citizens' lives, controlled all media, and even told them how to think by regulating and inventing their own language. At the end, I said to them..."but that's completely fiction, right? That could never happen in real life." The older students raised their eyebrows and a hint of a smile crossed their faces while some of the younger students went back to Weibo on their cell phones. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6580 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 16 of 67 19 December 2011 at 7:18am | IP Logged | |||||
Well, to be fair, apparently you'll get a warning first. If you have a sign that uses traditional characters, the police will visit you and tell you to change it. Only failing to do so after being warned will get you punished, I believe. Are you seeing any protests over there? Last year the demonstrations were organized online and via SMS. This year the government is prepared, so I suspect it'll be more difficult to organize something like that. And of course, this time it's old news. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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