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| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5260 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes  Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish | Message 9 of 62 06 January 2012 at 7:14pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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initially, there was only one infinitive ending - tak/täk e.g. puhutak, juotak, haluttak, mentäk then, after consonant gradation, t in the infinitive became d unless preceeded by another consonant: puhudak, juodak, halutak, mennäk d further dissapeared if it was preceeded by short unstressed vowel puhuak juodak halutak mennäk and finally, word final k was lost, this is how the diversity of verb conjugations came. Im still puzzled about the last two ones, seems as if they always take a kind of mood ending or something puhua juoda haluta mennä note that at some point(not sure exactly when) kd became hd ykte - ykten; kakte - kakten ykte - ykden; kakte - kakden ykti - yhden; kakti - kahden yksi - yhden; kaksi - kahden and due to this also tektäk - teken - tekee tekdäk - teγen - tekee tehdä - teen - tekee in singular type 4 verbs do not undergo consonant gradation since dissapearence of d and hence closing of the syllable happened after consonant gradation and the past tense marker I prevented d from dissapearing: veikkattak - veikkatan - veikkatin veikkattak - veikkatan - veikkasin veikatak - veikkadan - veikkasin veikatak - veikkaan - veikkasin veikata - veikkaan - veikkasin this also explains the abnormal appearence of S before the past marker I in the type 4 verbs for now this is all what Ive summarized however most likely itll be expanded in future Im not sure why S doesnt undergo consonant gradation to Z then H then dissapearence if E>I and TI>SI happened after consonant gradation the past form would have been veikkatin > veikkadin > veikkain because consonant gradation itself changed TI to DI and therefore TI>SI wouldnt have had an effect it looks like that was a kind of redular irregularity 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7160 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 10 of 62 07 January 2012 at 4:49am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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Ne ovat oikein mielenkiintoisia. Kiitti informaatiosta!
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| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5260 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish | Message 11 of 62 09 January 2012 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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I just did another revisement from memrise. I did better this time, though I've been much better when I originally found the website. I have around 100 words left to learn from ymmärrä suomea
I hope next week I'll have no classes nor test-papers, so I'll have more time for revisement and learning. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5260 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish | Message 12 of 62 12 January 2012 at 2:59pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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learned some tens of words at memrise from ymmärrä suomea
i hope by tommorrow i'll have learned them all so i can actually start reading the first or so texts on ymmärrä suomea website after that i'll continue with some of the lessons i have downloaded i also did some revisement of very basic norwegian - it actually seems easier than English at this point since it has simple verb conjugation 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| Kafea Groupie United States Joined 4936 days ago 78 posts - 98 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Smi | Message 13 of 62 12 January 2012 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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I'm interested to find out what you discover in Norwegian on verb conjugation. Comparing Swedish to Norwegian, I think Norwegian is a little easier. Maybe it is closer to English or something?
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6601 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 14 of 62 12 January 2012 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
I hope this all works for you... most of it looks so insanely and impressively complicated to me. (s->nne?) idk my textbook had examples for each pattern and then exercises where you have to put words into this or that case. random but doesn't Bulgarian have a concept of avanto? OMG. it might help you to remember this word that it normally isn't just a random hole in the ice, but one used for fishing or swimming. Good luck with your studies<3 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| a3 Triglot Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5260 days ago 273 posts - 370 votes Speaks: Bulgarian*, English, Russian Studies: Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish | Message 15 of 62 12 January 2012 at 6:34pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
well, i dont know about swedish, in norwegian for present tense you simply add -r and remove ao to form the present tense from the infinitive; no -s for third person singular thing
dont think of it as s->nne; think of it as NT : NTE -> NT : NNE -> NS : NNE -> S : NNE (or NTE if the case ending requires strong grade)
no, i was actually suprised that separate word for this concept exists
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6601 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 16 of 62 12 January 2012 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
it normally only affects the last syllable. though in compound words the first part may be stuck in the genitive forever, like pojanpoika. but it doesn't change then. but really, i just said um, what?:) i'm not saying it's wrong because to me that's just a complicated way to put it. maybe i just don't get what exactly you meant.
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