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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5334 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 73 of 136 15 February 2012 at 5:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I remember this answer, but it does not really answer the question. Would it be possible to give a round figure? 50%, 75% 80%. The thing is that it is not really a level playing field if some use 50%, some use 75% and some use 100% for exactly the same thing :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| aloysius Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6240 days ago 226 posts - 291 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, German Studies: French, Greek, Italian, Russian | Message 74 of 136 15 February 2012 at 7:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I watch a lot of movies and TV in English with or
without subs and I don't count it at all. My English certainly needs improvement, so it's not because of that, but I would have done it anyway, 6wc or no 6wc. For German it's much more of a conscious activity. I intend to count time spent on reading or listening to novels in English, though. Here's what Bao wrote in the 6wc August thread:
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| jdmoncada Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5034 days ago 470 posts - 741 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Finnish Studies: Russian, Japanese | Message 75 of 136 15 February 2012 at 7:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I have about 24 hours with my target language now. I was listening to some material last night, and I've noticed a perception shift. It's really wonderful. The things that seemed so fast and incomprehensible are really more accessable now.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 76 of 136 15 February 2012 at 11:52pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Idek, I just make sure to look at the clock from time to time and then I estimate exactly how much of the time I was focused enough. For English though, I just count things I need motivation for (especially uni stuff) and things I want to keep track of. For example, I don't count watching football in English though it's my most important activity in several languages. When I choose how much time to count I just start writing a tweet. If I'm overestimating I feel guilty and reduce the number. I don't quite understand what's the problem with subtitles. Sure LR counts as 100%? I suggest using subtitles in another fluent language:) This way whatever time you spend away from L3 should still count as time spent learning languages. And it's definitely not exactly the same thing. For example: if I see a shiny bottle of shampoo with text in various languages and randomly feel like reading the Croatian text, I'll struggle a little but understand. If an English native speaker learning Croatian reads the same very text, it may be pretty much like intensive reading, and he is pretty much guaranteed to learn more from it than I do. I think he's also more likely than me to add some of the words to his active vocabulary. And then if I lazily read the text in Finnish, I might not learn anything but it does count as practice. (No, I don't count the time spent reading the instructions to use shampoo. I did obviously count the GLOSS lesson on instructions for taking medication, though.) Edited by Serpent on 16 February 2012 at 12:10am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4909 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 77 of 136 16 February 2012 at 1:15am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I don't think it pays to get too bogged down with percentages. Pretty soon people will start to say that, for example, studying grammar is worth 70% of having a conversation, or the other way around! I only reduce the time based on the amount of concentration I had on the task.
I do understand reducing the time for things that are more passive, but just pick a simple percentage that would make it comparable to the rest of your tasks, and stick with it. I haven't watched any films or TV as yet, except French in Action, but I have been tempted to watch Bob l'Eponge, for which I suppose I might give myself 50% time. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4909 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 78 of 136 16 February 2012 at 1:24am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I looked at this again, and thought to myself that the fact that films are less dense is no reason to score them lower. It could be a reason to rate them higher, because you are able to focus on everything you hear even after it passes. It could be argued that films are better than news or audiobooks because they put the language in a natural context. This is particularly true if you are learning a language primarily for conversation. However, if we begin to argue about the relative worth of various learning methods, we are going to get bogged down in a complicated mess. I'd rather spend my time learning! So, as I said in the post above, my one rule is going to be overall % of concentration while doing the task. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Hendrek Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4882 days ago 152 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Persian | Message 79 of 136 16 February 2012 at 2:34am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Agreed. We all have different reasons and focuses when it comes to the 6WC. I for instance am focusing as much as I can on passive skills deliberately because of an upcoming passive skill exam. So for now, for this purpose, I see watching a movie or reading a news article or listening to a podcast as MORE important and relevant than getting speaking time in, but I'll focus more on the active part later. I also assign percentages based on how much I was concentrating throughout... Obviously it's just an honor system. I think the most important aspect of this 6WC concept is the self-motivation through an inherent competitiveness. Just seeing everyone else rack up the hours motivates me to get some more time in, no matter how little... and then it adds up. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zenmonkey Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6552 days ago 803 posts - 1119 votes 1 sounds Speaks: EnglishC2*, Spanish*, French, German Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew | Message 80 of 136 17 February 2012 at 1:43pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I see that some people have over 1200 minutes of language study a day. Someone has even clocked 1500+ minutes in a single day! Amazing!
I wish I was that dedicated and also had access to a 25hr day! Racking up 20hrs plus a day of study isn't really happening. Or is it? Edited by zenmonkey on 17 February 2012 at 1:44pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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