fanatic Octoglot Senior Member Australia speedmathematics.com Joined 7145 days ago 1152 posts - 1818 votes Speaks: English*, German, French, Afrikaans, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch Studies: Swedish, Norwegian, Polish, Modern Hebrew, Malay, Mandarin, Esperanto
| Message 25 of 57 23 August 2006 at 6:45am | IP Logged |
My total time per day studying with Assimil would have been between twenty minutes on a bad day to around 40-45 minutes on a good day. It would never be in one go. They would be in sessions of anywhere between 5 minutes to15 minutes.
That is maybe not quite right. I might spend 20 to 30 minutes playing through a cassette of lessons to revise my past lessons. At least once a week I would play all lessons up to my current lesson from the second week onwards. The first week of lessons were too slow and I couldn't stand each sentence being repeated.
Also, if I have a long drive I will often play through my Assimil tapes or my Russian course or my Spanish. So that adds to my learning time as well. I have converted almost all of my language cassettes to mp3 files and I can play them through for as long as I want.
By the way, Katie, I have just checked out Teach Yourself and Colloquial Hungarian from the library. I don't know a single word of Hungarian so I am interested to see how much I can learn before I have to return them.
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CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6856 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German
| Message 26 of 57 23 August 2006 at 1:37pm | IP Logged |
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This is not at all the way I use Assimil.
In the passive phase (first wave) I simply go through the lessons, doing at least one new lesson a day, trying only to understand what I read and hear. I am not worried about memorising vocabulary. I don't shadow the lessons. If I forget a word today I know I will be reviewing the word each day for the next week or more so I know it won't get lost. I am not worried about being able to use the vocabulary I have learnt. That will come with the active wave.
I have worked through a number of Assimil programs this way, including the old Spanish Without Toil course. I would review the past six or seven lessons each day with the new lesson and I found that I understood them very well. I noted the grammar explanations and read summaries of Spanish grammar but didn't memorise anything. I just took note of it.
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This is very helpful indeed, and thanks so much for answering my question. I think what's vital for me right now is to try not to learn, but consistently. :)
On a side note, what I've noticed is with all the studying I do, nothing can beat a live conversation in an actual context, and I mean even outside of going to a tutor. I was getting my nails done the other day and the only languages spoken in the place were Portuguese and Spanish. The owners of the place, Brazilian, spoke Spanish with me when they could have spoken English, but where I live (where my boyfriend lives, actually), being bilingual is the norm. Or that is, most monolinguals there speak Spanish only. Which goes to show I need to get out more.
I didn't have time to check my answers or to pause to find the word or to rewind what they just said or to be hard on myself. I'm sure I made a bazillion mistakes (how weird: I just typed a Brazilian mistakes but edited it - this shows how my mind works!) but this wasn't about being perfect, it was about being human. I have to bear in mind that's what learning languages is about.
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Katie Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6717 days ago 495 posts - 599 votes Speaks: English*, Hungarian Studies: French, German
| Message 27 of 57 23 August 2006 at 4:58pm | IP Logged |
fanatic wrote:
By the way, Katie, I have just checked out Teach Yourself and Colloquial Hungarian from the library. I don't know a single word of Hungarian so I am interested to see how much I can learn before I have to return them. |
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Let me know how you go! I'm sure you'll have twice the vocab and understanding that I have within a very short time! LOL Then I'll be jealous!! ;) Just kidding.
I've actually left Teach Yourself for a little while and started up on Assimil and continued with FSI. I don't have a complaint with Teach Yourself - I quite enjoy Teach Yourself programs and I learnt a lot from it in terms of vocab etc. I think the way that I study using TY (reading and writing notes in a notebook etc) just means that each lesson takes at least a week of solid work for me - so I was moving so slowly and it was annoying me. Plus, I was doing so much with it that I didn't have time for any other program and was quickly getting bored with that too!
FSI is still reasonably slow, but it doesn't feel that way - I'm not writing a million and one notes, etc. And Assimil in the passive stage is a breeze.
I guess I should try to keep going with TY because I've started it - and I do really enjoy the program. Maybe I will make a goal for a lesson to be completed every 10 days.... what do you think? Would working through FSI, Assimil and TY be okay - or too much?
At this stage I know that I can happily review lessons and do a new one in Assimil without a problem - it doesn't take long. And I'm planning on doing that each morning and night. So 1-2 new lessons per day in the passive stage.
As for FSI - I'm considering a goal of one unit every 14-21 days (depending on the unit - I like to know it thoroughly)
TY I could maybe aim for a unit every 10 days?
As for Colloquial - I have that here, but I haven't done anything on it.
I'd be interested to hear your opinions on both TY and Colloquial. Please be sure to post them! On a quick look, I preferred the TY - but I could be wrong!
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InsanePenguin Senior Member Wales Joined 6870 days ago 248 posts - 248 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 28 of 57 25 August 2006 at 4:35am | IP Logged |
thanks for those Assimil instruction my Spanish with ease isn't very clear, I'm currently re doing the passive wave though this time repeating the Spanish without looking at the text, this gets harder as you go but I really think it will benefit me - I guess the idea is after a while I will start 'Assimilating' the language.
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anavidi Newbie United States Joined 6705 days ago 24 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Persian
| Message 29 of 57 25 August 2006 at 10:45pm | IP Logged |
fanatic wrote:
That is maybe not quite right. I might spend 20 to 30 minutes playing through a cassette of lessons to revise my past lessons. At least once a week I would play all lessons up to my current lesson from the second week onwards. The first week of lessons were too slow and I couldn't stand each sentence being repeated. |
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Fanatic, when you review a lesson do you just listen to the audio or do you also go back to the book. Reading and trying to repeat without looking?
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Roger Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6591 days ago 159 posts - 161 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Indonesian
| Message 30 of 57 26 December 2006 at 12:17pm | IP Logged |
My friend has assimil italian with ease, we are both baffled as to what to do. Is it Basically to drill yourself with a lesson until you understand the grammar and the sentances by heart? then you move on, occationally reviewing previous lessons?
And when you get to the active phase you constuct your own sentances?
If someone could explain the assimil method in a way for dummies it'd be very appreciated.
Cheers
ps. I read all this Thread but am still slightly confused.
*IT'S OK I UNDERSTAND IT NOW* ish
Edited by Roger on 27 December 2006 at 12:52pm
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fanatic Octoglot Senior Member Australia speedmathematics.com Joined 7145 days ago 1152 posts - 1818 votes Speaks: English*, German, French, Afrikaans, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch Studies: Swedish, Norwegian, Polish, Modern Hebrew, Malay, Mandarin, Esperanto
| Message 31 of 57 30 December 2006 at 11:52pm | IP Logged |
anavidi wrote:
fanatic wrote:
That is maybe not quite right. I might spend 20 to 30 minutes playing through a cassette of lessons to revise my past lessons. At least once a week I would play all lessons up to my current lesson from the second week onwards. The first week of lessons were too slow and I couldn't stand each sentence being repeated. |
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Fanatic, when you review a lesson do you just listen to the audio or do you also go back to the book. Reading and trying to repeat without looking? |
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If I just have my mp3 player I will listen to the previous lessons and understand them pretty well. I don't worry about repeating during the passive wave. If I have my book I will read the previous lessons. If I can read and listen, I do so. That way, any words I might have forgotten can be checked on the spot.
I am fairly upbeat about both learning new lessons and revising old ones.
I concentrate more on speaking during the active wave.
So, if my new lesson is lesson 25, I will review 22, 23 and 24 before I begin the new lesson. I will then concentrate on reading and listening to lesson 25 until I can understand it without difficulty and I have read the notes and explanations. Then I will play lessons 22 to 25 over and over. A couple of times a week I might replay lessons 8 to 25 (or the current lesson) and I find I am thinking in the language and I don't have to translate. I understand what I hear and what I read.
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The Log Groupie United Kingdom Joined 6579 days ago 57 posts - 58 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German
| Message 32 of 57 08 January 2007 at 9:37am | IP Logged |
Fanatic,
I was wondering what it is you do in the active stages of assimil
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