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| lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5297 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes  | Message 9 of 64 05 February 2012 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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A little suggestion:
If you have the subs for your target language and your native language, then just print them. (You can create a real bilingual edition in one file or) just make two print outs and put them side to side. This way you have a wonderful learning tool, the efficiency of this kind of parallel text has been known for centuries, and if you add the video, maybe after having gone through the texts for a while, comparing the versions and working on important unknown words and structures, - sounds like a perfect thing, doesn't it? Even a single episode you can really understand can do wonders, after having worked out about ten episodes it should become possible to watch for real enjoyment, sometimes with subs, alternating L1 and L2, sometimes without subs, and still learn something, or a lot. (Your starting level should not be too low, imo, else you would be better off doing some more elementary studies before this kind of activity.) (A simple text editor can read and print srt files, I have not checked other formats now, but there should be a solution for each of them.) Edited by lingoleng on 05 February 2012 at 8:20pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5452 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 10 of 64 05 February 2012 at 12:20pm | IP Logged | ||
I don't really read the subtitles either. Maybe it has something to do with us Scandinavians growing up with subtitled TV. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| LaughingChimp Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4698 days ago 346 posts - 594 votes Speaks: Czech* | Message 11 of 64 05 February 2012 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | ||
I disagree. It's slow in the beginning, but it allows much faster progress later. That's because immersion forces you to learn prosody and phonology before you can progress further. With other methods these are usually skipped, so it may seem you progress faster, but immersion is better in the long run. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5534 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 12 of 64 05 February 2012 at 3:02pm | IP Logged | ||
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I posted something about this in Tarko's language log thread, but my suggestion is to do both. I get different benefits from watching subbed shows than I do watching unsubbed shows, plus I watch more shows by doing this than I would with just one or the other. The reason I watch more doing this is two-fold. A) Some shows aren't readily available subbed, so if I limited myself to ones that are, I wouldn't watch those shows at all. B) Some shows/movies don't hold my interest enough in unsubbed format since I'm not as sure what is going on (though this part lessens with time). If I only watched unsubbed shows, then I wouldn't watch these at all.
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| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5648 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 13 of 64 05 February 2012 at 3:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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Let's just say I spent 2009 watching a lot of K dramas with subtitles when I was
getting into learning Korean. I probably watched around 400 episodes of Kdramas that year. I honestly didn't get much out of it aside from a few phrases. Then in early 2010, frustrated that the good subbers took 1-2 weeks to get their subs out and not wanting to watch the crappy subs that come out in one day, I started watching K dramas raw. It was as if I had no idea what was going on, but I recognized some phrases and words and could understand what was going on through the acting. About a month or two later of doing this, I found out that my listening improved a lot because I had to focus a lot more on what was being said instead of just reading some subtitles. Listening to the Korean was secondary for me when I watched dramas subbed, as I was focused on reading the text. I'm all for watching shows unsubbed/raw. It forces you to focus more on what's being said and how they say things. The remedy to make it easier to understand the dialogue is to watch more dramas without subs, along with continuing to learn new vocabulary and grammar. Speaking practice will also help out a lot with watching dramas raw. 8 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5177 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi | Message 14 of 64 05 February 2012 at 6:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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I like to watch KBS world too, and I ussualy hide the subs (by a very strange method), or sit far away
from TV, without glasses. For paying attention, is very important in the immersion. subtitles can be helpful though - if you don't know a word they are saying, you can pick up some new vocabulary this way, but it's good to learn to rely only on the spoken word. I don't believe the 'native subs' thing :( they make you read, and not listen, so it's more like practicing reading (it's also an important skill, of course) than listening. Or maybe it's just me. I feel it didn't gave me something of a boost in Chinese, by watching native subbed dramas. Maybe a little, I don't know. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6124 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish | Message 15 of 64 05 February 2012 at 7:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, I've clocked years and years of Japanese anime raw, and then years with English subs and then raw
again the last 4 years or so. I'm convinced that for me English subs are completely useless -- that my long term memory will recall the characters as actually speaking English. It's like the subs go right to my subconscious and store the sounds as English. I think maybe this allows me to enjoy subbed movies more directly, but for language learning, forget it. I use electrical tape to cover up subs. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5765 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 16 of 64 05 February 2012 at 8:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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Could it be that there's a difference in how one processes/remembers L3 audio with L1 subtitles compared to L3 audio with L2 subtitles?
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