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| fiziwig Senior Member United States Joined 4868 days ago 297 posts - 618 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 33 of 100 20 February 2012 at 6:56am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Attempts have been made to define "neutral Spanish" (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Spanish ) but there is a lot of disagreement on the issue. Apparently movie companies use what they call "Latin American Neutral Spanish" for dubbing movies. Wikipedia also says: "Latin American Neutral Spanish tends to be common in Colombia (because of the existence of a lot of regional dialects) and Mexico, where most of mass media is made."
Googling many other sources, everybody seems to have a different idea on the subject, but the dialects that seem to get mentioned most often as being accent neutral are Colombian, Bolivian, Costa Rican, and Peruvian. Watch out for Costa Rica, though. They use voseo. There were also a lot of votes for "Mexican Broadcast Spanish" as opposed to any particular Mexican accent. (Remember that Mexican Spanish is really MANY different accents depending on where in Mexico you go.) Also, most Googled source agree to avoid Puerto Rico, Cuba and Argentina as those accents are closer to the extremes. (Imagine a German student learning English from an American Cajun in Bayou country. That's an American learning Spanish in Cuba or Puerto Rico. Not a good plan.) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| rivere123 Senior Member United States Joined 4833 days ago 129 posts - 182 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 34 of 100 20 February 2012 at 7:26am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Mais sha, what be wrong wit ah accent?
Jokes aside, very appreciated. I can, without fear, listen to the news of the countries mentioned :P I've heard of Argentina and Cuba's odd accent, but I wasn't sure to watch out for Puerto Rico or the Voseo countries so much. Thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zenmonkey Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6555 days ago 803 posts - 1119 votes 1 sounds Speaks: EnglishC2*, Spanish*, French, German Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew | Message 35 of 100 20 February 2012 at 9:39am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Colombia, Bolivia and Peru all have their own internal variation and can vary greatly. Mexican Broadcast Spanish is mostly the Chilango or Altiplano accent without 'local color' words. It's closer to what educated people of the central area use. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Quique Diglot Senior Member Spain cronopios.net/Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4685 days ago 183 posts - 313 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: French, German | Message 36 of 100 20 February 2012 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's like saying that "English" doesn't make sense for the language spoken in the USA or Australia. As Zenmonkey said, the term "castellano" is also used in LAm. In Southern Mexico and Guatemala I've also heard "castilla". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Quique Diglot Senior Member Spain cronopios.net/Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4685 days ago 183 posts - 313 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: French, German | Message 37 of 100 20 February 2012 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I beg to disagree. Neither me nor the people I know do any of those things. Leísmo and laísmo are very common in Madrid, but not in other places (and I find them extremely annoying!). I've only noticed the use of the conditional instead of the subjunctive in the Basque country, not elsewhere. To sum up, I find those sentences as weird as you do. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Quique Diglot Senior Member Spain cronopios.net/Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4685 days ago 183 posts - 313 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: French, German | Message 38 of 100 20 February 2012 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's hard to believe. I've met Argentinians in Spain, Northern Europe and Central America, and we didn't have any problem to chat. They use `vos' instead of `tú', so what? Argentinian movies (just as those from any other Spanish speaking country) are not dubbed in Spain, nor Spanish movies are dubbed in LAm.
You're making it sound harder than it actually is. Some of those words (carro, pija) are also used in Spain, albeit only colloquialy. The same happens with British/American English (boot/trunk, lift/elevator, etc).
I'd argue the opposite is true: now we understand Latin American Spanish better that 20 years ago. There are several reasons for that, such as the Internet, the affordability of traveling to LAm, the 1 million+ of Latin immigrants in Spain, the popularity of Latin artists, etc. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4671 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 39 of 100 20 February 2012 at 10:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Why should we avoid Argentinian Spanish? From my contact with the Spanish people, I must say Argentinian Spanish is one of the rare Latin American accents they don't find annoying or ''cursi'' (=tacky), but pleasant. Maybe, they respect it because of the high esteem Argentinians have. Argentinians made RAE accept voseo and include it in the official verbal paradigm (go to the RAE site and their dictionary, and put any verb into the conjugator, and you'll get the Argentinian voseo forms as well). Argentinian Spanish is one of the rare varieties of Spanish with their own, independent dictionary (Diccionario integral del español de la Argentina). Most other countries just made list/dictionaries of localisms and send them to RAE in Madrid which then decides what to include and what not in their dictionary. But just like Americans don't care whether an Oxford dictionary will or will not include their words and expressions, Argentinians don't care either, they made their own dictionary (comparable to MW's dicionary in the US). When you respect the way you speak, with no reservations, then other people will respect you too. That's why speakers of Argentinian Spanish are respected. Argentinians living in Spain make sure they DON'T lose their accent (not only LEO MESSI, but other people too ;)). I think Argentinian Spanish is the most beautiful variant of Spanish. A mixture of Galician Spanish and Italian (most immigrants came from Galicia and Italy) made it very unique and pleasant. I could listen it for hours. There is even a separate language certificate in Argentina: CELU (Certificado de Español: Lengua y Uso) Edited by Medulin on 20 February 2012 at 11:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Javi Senior Member Spain Joined 5984 days ago 419 posts - 548 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 40 of 100 20 February 2012 at 11:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Really? That's not my experience but anyway I've checked Wikipedia:
Look here: Gramática del dialecto castellano septentrional Edited by Javi on 20 February 2012 at 11:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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