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| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5274 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes  Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 65 of 107 26 February 2012 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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GDP is not a neutral baseline. It is a convenient baseline and in some sense a more objective baseline than many
others (e.g. "freedom index" or some such nonsense), but it is anything but neutral. Anyone who thinks GDP is not at least partially a product of some often very controversial things (which bring up questions of fairness, justice, etc.) clearly doesn't understand either history or economics. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Itikar Groupie Italy Joined 4670 days ago 94 posts - 158 votes Speaks: Italian* | Message 66 of 107 26 February 2012 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
Of course they list genitives, in the same entry, right after the nominative. But this is helpful only if you have a PC or if you already know the nominative.
Except for very few irregulars it is not a big trobule to look for a nominative of a Russian word, and found it the dictionary lists most of the useful forms with stresses. Like plural genitives of neuters and so on. Regarding Latin verbs they are listed by paradigm, and the paradigm begins with the first person of present indicative. I.e. dico-dicis-dixi-dictum-dicere And it is usually the only entry. So if you meet "ipse dixit" you must have either a PC or know the paradigm of dicere. But a PC will not usually provide you the 87687645 meanings acquired in 2000 years by a Latin verb. Russian dictionaries on the other hand list for example both писать and пишу as indipendet entries and often also other relevant voices like participles. edit: Anyway the point was not if Latin declension is tougher than Russian. Besides irregulars they are not much different for the final user. I believe Latin declension is a little tougher because Russian plural declension is more regular, save for genitives. I mean that while all Russian plural datives end with vowel+м Latin plural datives have different forms. The real point is that what in Latin is "the easy part" in Russian is "the tough part", so to say... [Of course there is the part about non-finite tenses, that together with verb aspect is not a piece of cake, but not even tragic] Edited by Itikar on 26 February 2012 at 11:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5416 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean | Message 67 of 107 26 February 2012 at 10:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
I realize GDP figures are subject to a degree of varying methodologies and intentional manipulations, but I don't think anyone doubts that certain countries have large economies and other countries have small economies. The solution is not to just reject all agency-collected statistical data. It's certainly a possibility that Uzbekistan actually has the largest economy in the world, but losing all faith in collected demographic data isn't really the answer. Edited by nway on 26 February 2012 at 10:39pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| lichtrausch Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5961 days ago 525 posts - 1072 votes Speaks: English*, German, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 68 of 107 26 February 2012 at 10:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
Now you've shifted the goal posts. Someone taking AP chemistry is indeed in a high-achieving group that is likely to be learning Latin and piano as well. But not a normal student taking chemistry. Which is the only thing anyone could reasonably assume you were talking about since you originally mentioned nothing of AP classes. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5416 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean | Message 69 of 107 26 February 2012 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Considering chemistry is a high school prerequisite and that there are more high school students than college students (most people take high school, not everyone goes to college, and of those people who go to college, not all of them take chemistry), I would say that the "normal student taking chemistry" is indeed a high school student, and therefore takes it for the reasons that a high school student would take chemistry (for academic achievement, and ergo for the same reason as Latin and piano). The goal posts remain static. Edited by nway on 26 February 2012 at 10:51pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| lichtrausch Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5961 days ago 525 posts - 1072 votes Speaks: English*, German, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 70 of 107 26 February 2012 at 11:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
The goal posts aren't static although it seems you're trying to bend them back into place now. The tens (hundreds?) of millions of people around the world who learned chemistry in high school and then went on to major in a chemistry-related field and find a chemistry-related job beg to differ with your equivalency of chemistry with Latin and piano. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5416 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean | Message 71 of 107 26 February 2012 at 11:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The tens (hundreds?) of millions of people around the world who learned a musical instrument in high school and then went on to major in a music-related field and find a music-related job beg to differ with your equivalency of piano with Latin and chemistry.
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| lichtrausch Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5961 days ago 525 posts - 1072 votes Speaks: English*, German, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 72 of 107 26 February 2012 at 11:57pm | IP Logged | |||||
Nice try, but no. Consult some of your copious statistics and you'll soon enough see that the academic and career opportunities related to chemistry outnumber those related to music by a magnitude or two. I thought this was general knowledge anyway? 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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