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| sgh78 Diglot Senior Member France Joined 4633 days ago 163 posts - 215 votes  Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish, Russian, Norwegian, Latin, Persian, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic (classical), German | Message 41 of 109 05 April 2012 at 12:54am | IP Logged |
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Report #21 : 03/04/2012
ENGLISH : Ressource used : - Swadesh List 1.I maked a audio to tested my pronunciation. I would like to know what the native speakers think about this , I have a problem with these sounds : A./ɪ i of in. B./ʊ oo of foot. C./ʌ u of cut in Received pronunciation. D./æ a of man. E./ɒ a of call in Received pronunciation. F./ŋ ng of parking , with this consonant I pronounce that /ŋg like in my language. G./ɹ r of red. H./ð th of the , I have a problem with that in some words. I./θ th of thin , like /ð. J./h h of husband in some words. K./eɪ of ay in say. L./aɪ in I. M./ɔɪ oy of boy. N./əʊ ow of know in Received pronunciation. O./aʊ ough of bough. P./ɪə ere of here. Q./eə ee of beer. R./ʊə oo of boor. Link to listen : http://www.2shared.com/audio/PxunbsjG/WAVE0001.html Link with the words pronounced : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_Swadesh_de_l%27anglais RUSSIAN-РУССКИЙ : Ressource used : - Swadesh List 1.I read the wordlist. NORWEGIAN BOKMÅL-NORSK BOKMÅL : Ressource used : - Swadesh List 1.I read informations about the phonetic. Edited by sgh78 on 05 April 2012 at 12:57am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| sgh78 Diglot Senior Member France Joined 4633 days ago 163 posts - 215 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish, Russian, Norwegian, Latin, Persian, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic (classical), German | Message 42 of 109 05 April 2012 at 11:35pm | IP Logged |
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Report #22 : 04/04/2012
CLASSICAL ARABIC-العربية : Ressource used : - Swadesh List 1.I maked a audio to tested my pronunciation. I would like to know what the native speakers think about this , I have a problem with these sounds : A./ð I have a problem with this consonant in some words (ذ). B./θ like /ð (ث). C./ħ (ح). D./ʕ (ع). E./h in some words (ه). F./x (خ) G./tˤ (ﻁ) H./zˁ (ﻅ) I./sˤ (ﺹ) J./dˤ (ﺽ) K./q (ﻖ) L./ɣ (غ) M.The diphthongs with the /w. Link to listen : http://www.2shared.com/audio/GXHBqX8t/WAVE0002.html Link with the words pronounced : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_Swadesh_de_l%27arabe HEBREW-עברית : Ressource used : - Swadesh List 1.I maked a audio to tested my pronunciation. I would like to know what the native speakers think about this , I have a problem with these sounds (some words they are not present because there are not transcripted in IPA) : A./ʔ a glotal consonant like in the word : תולעת B./h in some words (ה). C./x (ח) Link to listen : http://www.2shared.com/audio/JAFLOm_j/WAVE0001.html Link with the words pronounced : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_Swadesh_de_l%27h%C3%A9bre u SPANISH-ESPAÑOL : Ressource used : - Swadesh List 1.I maked a audio to tested my pronunciation. I would like to know what the native speakers think about this , I have a problem with these sounds : A./ð it's different that voice th in English. B./θ I can't to pronouce this correctly all times. C./ɾ like the rr of perro. D./r the trilled r , I can't pronounce this consonant all times. E./x the Spanish j. F./ɣ g in delgado. G./β b in caber. Link to listen : http://www.2shared.com/audio/1i62rNd0/WAVE0001.html Link with the words pronounced : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_Swadesh_du_castillan Edited by sgh78 on 06 April 2012 at 9:02pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5001 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 43 of 109 06 April 2012 at 12:00pm | IP Logged |
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You language list is impressive! What is your long-term schedule for it?
And I must say I admire your passion for learning vocabulary, I could do with a bit more of it :-) I just have a feeling you are focusing only on the vocabulary or perhaps it is just a bad impression from reading your log too fast. Are you studying grammar as well? Or getting some comprehensible input or listening to podcasts? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| sgh78 Diglot Senior Member France Joined 4633 days ago 163 posts - 215 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish, Russian, Norwegian, Latin, Persian, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic (classical), German | Message 44 of 109 06 April 2012 at 8:33pm | IP Logged |
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@cavesa
1.I study a bit of vocabulary to understand some structures (like the prefix , suffix and root of words etc...) . 2.I study grammar like speak with a person without the grammar it's not natural. Example : If I say "you laugh ?" so then the correct phrase is "do you are laughing ?" , we can to have a big problem of communication. 3.The pronunciation , if we have a problem of pronunciation it's not a problem if we can to understand you. But if we can't to understand you that it's a problem. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| sgh78 Diglot Senior Member France Joined 4633 days ago 163 posts - 215 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish, Russian, Norwegian, Latin, Persian, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic (classical), German | Message 45 of 109 07 April 2012 at 5:06pm | IP Logged |
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Report #23 : 05/04/2012
GERMAN-DEUTSCH : Ressource used : - Swadesh List 1.I maked a audio to tested my pronunciation. I would like to know what the native speakers think about this , I have a problem with these sounds : A./ʔ a glottal consonant. B./ç ch in ich. C./x ch in knochen. D./h in some words like the h of haut. E.All the diphtongues. F./ɪ i in in. G./ʏ in rücken. H./ʊ in frau. I./ɐ I have no words in the mind with this vowel , I know just this existence in German. Link to listen : http://www.2shared.com/audio/oXf5i9Zr/WAVE0001.html Link with the words pronounced : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_Swadesh_de_l%27allemand FARSI-فارسی : Ressource used : - Swadesh List 1.I maked a audio to tested my pronunciation. I would like to know what the native speakers think about this , I have a problem with these sounds : A.The diphtongs with /w and /ɒ. B./æ ه in به. C./ɒ: ا in تا. D./q ﻖ in قرمز. E./ɢ ق is a uvular sound similar to گ , I don't find a word with this consonant and I can't to pronounce this. F./ʔ a glottal consonant. G./x خ in تخم. H./ɣ voice equivalent of /x I don't find a word with this. I./h ه in ماهی , I can't pronounce this all times. J./ɾ ر in مار. Link to listen : http://www.2shared.com/audio/bJx5zbew/WAVE0001.html Link with the words pronounced : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_Swadesh_du_persan LATIN-LATINA : Ressource used : - The lessons three and four http://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Latin. 1.I revised the first declination in singular and plural and the second declination in masculin in singular. Edited by sgh78 on 07 April 2012 at 5:07pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5001 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 46 of 109 08 April 2012 at 12:14pm | IP Logged |
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Ah, sorry if I was misunderstood. I wasn't suggesting grammar should not be studied, I
meant the opposite. I was interested in how do you study it. Do you use classical grammar books? Or the 10000 sentences method? Or just a lot of input? Do you learn each separately or do you work with comparisons and are learning paralelly somehow? And surely the pronunciation is very important. How do you study it? I cannot imagine myself studying pronunciation of so many languages at once, does comparison in between them help? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| sgh78 Diglot Senior Member France Joined 4633 days ago 163 posts - 215 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish, Russian, Norwegian, Latin, Persian, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic (classical), German | Message 47 of 109 08 April 2012 at 5:22pm | IP Logged |
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@Cavesa
About studying pronunciation I learned the IPA. When I want to learn a sound I look informations about how to pronunce this in read a document about this phonem. Example you want to learn the consonant /v v of volt in English , you need to know that the name of this consonant is "Voiced labiodental fricative" in English. Now a article in your language about /v : http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zn%C4%9Bl%C3%A1_labiodent%C3%A1 ln%C3%AD_frikativa. If you know the name of a consonant or vowel you are near to be ready to pronounce this. About the grammar I read texts on internet in the language , books like "for the dummies" in French "pour les nuls" , internet. I learn the grammar separately , I don't use languages comparaisons about the grammar. In your profile I read the next thing , you learn indo-european languages if you know some principes about the grammar of these languages you are advanced. Example of principe : The majority of indo-european languages are a grammar in SVO (subject + verb + object). Edited by sgh78 on 08 April 2012 at 5:24pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| sgh78 Diglot Senior Member France Joined 4633 days ago 163 posts - 215 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish, Russian, Norwegian, Latin, Persian, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic (classical), German | Message 48 of 109 08 April 2012 at 8:08pm | IP Logged |
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Report #24 : 06/04/2012
ENGLISH : Ressource used : - L'anglais pour les nuls (English for dummies , in French) 1.Now like I finished my goal , I started a new goal read this book , I read the first chapitre. RUSSIAN-РУССКИЙ : Ressource used : - Swadesh List 1.I tried to improve my pronunciation , I would like to make later a audio. NORWEGIAN BOKMÅL-NORSK BOKMÅL : Ressource used : - Swadesh List 1.I maked a audio to tested my pronunciation. I would like to know what the native speakers think about this , I have a problem with these sounds : A.When I can to pronounce /ʂ , /ç and /ʃ. B.When I can to pronounce the retroflexs /ɳ , /ʈ , /ɖ and /ɭ. C.I can't to pronounce /ʋ like in "vei". D./h in "hund". E./ɾ I know that at bergen the people pronounce /ʁ like in my language but I would like to pronounce like in the standard pronunciation. F./ɪ i in "ikke". G.When I can to pronounce /ʏ or /ʉ. H./ʉ: in "hus". I.In some records I heared /ə or /ɐ in the word with "e" in the end of word like "lite" what is the more common pronunciation. J.Some diphtongue with /w and /ʉ. Link to listen : http://www.2shared.com/audio/u_KzjcmI/WAVE0001.html Link with the words pronounced : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_Swadesh_du_norv%C3%A9gien _%28bokm%C3%A5l%29 Edited by sgh78 on 08 April 2012 at 8:10pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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