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Josquin’s Language Symphony (RU, IR, 東亜) | ||
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| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4857 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes  Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 65 of 646 21 May 2012 at 10:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'm gonna fall in love very soon, I have to revise several lessons from my textbook and learn another 10 for my short exam. But well, at least I'll have some motivation ;)
Seems that the native Slav misses a lot of magic in Russian. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4842 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 66 of 646 21 May 2012 at 10:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
Oh, you can have some magic by trying to pronounce German soft 'ch' without making a 'sch' out of it. German 'ü' is also very popular as well as the '-er' sound [ɐ]. From that point of view, Icelandic should be full of magic with its devoicing and preaspiration... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4857 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 67 of 646 21 May 2012 at 10:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
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lykill!
(And it's one of the easiest examples for me) German sounds don't impress me (I mean, in a negative way ;) ). Neither the Dutch ones. Edited by prz_ on 21 May 2012 at 10:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4842 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 68 of 646 21 May 2012 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yeah, the 'll' sound is great! I love it! Another favourite of mine is 'nn' like in 'steinn'. And the real fun starts when preaspiration meets devoicing like in 'vatn'.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 69 of 646 21 May 2012 at 11:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Josquin, у меня really means "I have". Russian doesn't really have a verb for to have (I guess there is иметь, but I never really understood how that is used), instead they express possession using a construction of "by me is ...". You can also use the possessive if you want to shorten it in a sentence "my car is not working" instead of "I have a faulty car".
Also note that you can NEVER use a possessive pronoun with any body part - you must use у меня. у меня can also mean at my place, like in у меня в номере (in my hotel room) etc etc. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4842 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 70 of 646 22 May 2012 at 11:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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TUESDAY, 22 MAY 2012
Today, I had a lot of paperwork to do in order to enrol in university. I was exmatriculated after having achieved my Masters degree and now have to enrol again in order to officially get the status of a PhD student. Nevertheless, I managed to learn Russian for about an hour and a half today. I reread the dialogue of lesson 7, listened to the recordings, repeated the grammar, and did the exercises. The adjectives are rather straightforward. The only difficult thing is to remember whether an adjective has a soft or a hard ending. After velars and sibilants, the case is clear - and adjectives with stress on the ending aren't a problem either. For the rest, you have to remember whether it is -ый/-ая/-ое/-ые or -ий/-яя/-ее/-ие. The reflexive verbs and the verbs on -овать/-евать are also rather straightforward. I don't have any problems with them. So, the main part that is left before finishing lesson 7 is memorising the vocabulary. I know most of the words in Russian, but I'm not yet feeling sure when translating from German. So, I will learn the vocabulary tomorrow, do the translation exercise which is left, and then go on with lesson 8. @tarvos: Thank you for your help. I know that the 'у + genitive' construction means 'to have', but, in the case I mentioned (У меня брат живёт в Новгороде), у меня obviously doesn't mean 'I have', but simply 'my': 'My brother lives in Novgorod.' So, my question was if there was any difference between 'У меня брат живёт в Новгороде' and 'Мой брат живёт в Новгороде' or if they are synonymously interchangeable. I think that, in this case, they're interchangeable, but I would like to hear someone else's opinion. It's interesting to know that one cannot use the possessive pronoun with body parts. The same rule exists in Icelandic where you can only say augun á mér ('the eyes on me = my eyes') or hrygurinn á þér ('the back on you = your back') instead of *augun mín or *hryggurinn þinn. So, even knowing Icelandic can be useful for studying Russian. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4857 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 71 of 646 22 May 2012 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
Oh, long and short forms of the adjectives, I guess? The remnants of Old Church Slavonic :) Edited by prz_ on 22 May 2012 at 11:32pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 72 of 646 22 May 2012 at 11:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
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У меня брат живёт в Новгороде
This sentence would not work grammatically, I think. You are introducing the fact that the brother lives in Novgorod, but you have to do that using a relative clause if you're using the construction with У меня. Why? Because the construction you use in that sentence already has a verb! What verb, you ask? It's implicitly understood, but: есть! It's so often left out of a sentence that you forget it exists. However, when you're constructing a sentence grammatically, even though the verb is not written, you cannot actually substitute another verb for it (the main verb cannot change to be живёт). So what you'd probably say in that case is something like: У меня (есть) брат, который живёт в Новгороде. In this case, you enter который as a joker (and don't ask me why you use that and not кто, that's an intuition that you have to develop, кто just sounds off). This sentence translates more as "I have a brother, who lives in Novgorod). Now the thing is by using a possessive pronoun (мой) you shortcut the whole problem, it really is simpler. So in colloquial speech I would expect it to be easier to just use a possessive instead of the (relatively more) complicated construction using У меня. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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