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| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5415 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean | Message 25 of 35 21 June 2012 at 9:43pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The muddling is in your insinuation that your hypothetical question has anything to do with the point I made. The question itself is perfectly clear and concise, but it has nothing to do with what I was talking about (differing times at identical intensities for a particular individual). Yes, things in life "depend". Reality is neither black nor white, and no concept which exceeds in scope the fundamental implications of a pure mathematical statement of identity is ever devoid of any and all contingencies. I established that during our last conversation... So to clarify, as soon as you framed it as, "takes __ years to reach C1", you instantly made this a discussion about efficiency—not overall time. "60 miles per hour" and "1 hour" do not refer to the same metrics, and they are not the same thing. In essence, what I'm basically saying is that you'll go further at 60 miles per hour for 3 hours versus 60 miles per hour for 2 hours. Do you seriously dispute this? Edited by nway on 21 June 2012 at 10:00pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| vientito Senior Member Canada Joined 6338 days ago 212 posts - 281 votes | Message 26 of 35 23 June 2012 at 10:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The proverbial journey is more important than reaching the goal. If you have fun doing it while it lasts, who cares how long it will take to get there?
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| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5308 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 27 of 35 15 July 2012 at 3:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I don't enjoy not understanding half of what I read and hear. I voted Yes, speed is important to me.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 28 of 35 16 July 2012 at 8:42am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Me neither, but going from 60-75% to 99% is a lot more enjoyable, so once I'm in this stage I no longer care about the speed.
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| ZombieKing Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4527 days ago 247 posts - 324 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin* | Message 29 of 35 17 July 2012 at 12:10am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Slow and steady wins the race :3
I just want to be thorough in my studies. Speed is secondary. The skills I want to achieve will come with time :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5226 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 30 of 35 22 July 2012 at 6:46am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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[I skipped most of the thread after voting YES so sorry if I'm repeating what someone else said, ignoring very interesting entries, etc.]
Why would anyone WANT to learn anything in a less efficient / slower way? Unless there's some other factor(s) at play, such a choice simply doesn't make sense. Now, if you tell me there's method A and method B that takes twice as long but is twice as pleasurable, cheap, or whatever (X factor), then it becomes just another matter of proper prioritization: what's more important to you, time/speed or the X factor? The only problem is, it is rare to have just two clear factors to weigh against each other. Edited by mrwarper on 22 July 2012 at 6:47am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cpreston Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4517 days ago 6 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 31 of 35 22 July 2012 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I voted yes, but I'm not actually under any pressing need to learn German. I voted yes more because I'm very impatient, and I need to feel like I'm making steady progress in order to stay fully motivated.
If things were going too slowly I would probably lose heart. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4701 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 32 of 35 22 July 2012 at 7:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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This question is only relevant until you reach a certain point at which you can derive meaning from context and assimilate "the rest" effortlessly over time.
IMHO, this includes output. You will never be able to utter something you wouldn't understand when coming across it. All your output will be useless if you didn't understand the feedback. Once you're somewhere around that magical mark (no idea how much it really is, but I guess more than the 75% Serpent mentioned, probably closer to 85-90%), output will come naturally and only requires practice to improve, not active learning. Happened with my English, will happen with my Japanese (which I'd like to improve way further than English, which I learned out of necessity instead of love for the language). So yeah, up to that point, speed matters for me. From there, it's all about deepening. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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