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At what level do you say you speak (2) ? | ||
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| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6152 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 1 of 118 05 July 2012 at 11:35am | IP Logged |
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Following on from Wulfgar's poll, I'd like to re-ask the question with more granularity around the B1\B2 area.
To clarify, B1+ This is at the high end of B1, beginning B2. B2- This would be just before completing B2. B2+ This is the high end of B2 nearing a C1 proficiency. Edited by DaraghM on 05 July 2012 at 11:39am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 2 of 118 05 July 2012 at 11:40am | IP Logged |
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I say it when I'm comfortable speaking, which is more important than a CEFR name for the
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| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4679 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German | Message 3 of 118 05 July 2012 at 12:33pm | IP Logged |
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My engineering school in France required that every student pass a B2 exam in English (or in fact any other language, but then English still had to be B1) to be able to graduate. From that time I came to consider that B2 was a good enough level to work in a language and therefore meant you could "speak" it.
Additionally, with a lower level than that, you'd easily get laughed at if you said you spoke the language (and natives talked to you). Of course, if you add adverbs, then it becomes reasonable: I speak a bit, a few sentences, etc. But removing adverbs require a B2. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4869 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 4 of 118 05 July 2012 at 2:26pm | IP Logged |
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I voted B2+. I think the "Basic Fluency" category on this forum means B2, but it's very probable that I'll be at a B2+ or C1 passively once I truly fulfill the B2 requirements for speaking.
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| Laurae Diglot Groupie Germany Joined 5039 days ago 51 posts - 67 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Dutch | Message 5 of 118 05 July 2012 at 3:12pm | IP Logged |
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I also voted B2+. I currently study German at level B2.1, but I certainly wouldn't describe myself as being able 'to speak'; by that I mean hold a relatively effortless conversation without submerging into a state of panic!
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| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4689 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 6 of 118 05 July 2012 at 7:30pm | IP Logged |
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I said B1, because it's at least possible IMO to satisfy the HTLAL basic fluency requirements without exceeding this level. I don't necessarily agree that B1 and HTLAL basic fluency are entirely coterminous, though.
In the real world, by contrast, I would say I speak a language (almost always with adverbs, even if I'm above B2) when I feel I could survive in a monolingual environment, with effort, which IMO requires a minimum B1 in each of reading, listening and speaking (but not necessarily writing), but preferably B2 in at least one of reading or speaking as well. All a bit random, I suppose. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 7 of 118 05 July 2012 at 8:00pm | IP Logged |
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What language is in question?
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| Jappy58 Bilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member United States Joined 4639 days ago 200 posts - 413 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Guarani*, Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Maghribi), Arabic (Written), French, English, Persian, Quechua, Portuguese Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 8 of 118 06 July 2012 at 7:51pm | IP Logged |
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I chose B2+, mainly for the reason that I don't think B2 is quite enough, which was especially the case with my Persian and French when I was studying them. I wouldn't consider myself "fluent", but it was then I began feeling really confident with my languages.
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