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At what level do you say you speak (2) ? | ||
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| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5313 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes  Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 9 of 118 15 July 2012 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think
B1 = know and speak that language, but not very good at it. B2 = know and speak that language, quite good at it, can use it for work and tertiary study. Many immigrants speak broken English, etc, and you usually describe them as speaking poor English instead of as not speaking English. 7 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5014 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 10 of 118 16 July 2012 at 10:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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I chose B2- because I think you can speak with a native comfortably if your speaking
skills are higher than B1, closer to B2, but under two conditions: 1.your listening skills are higher, at least the border between B2/C1. the native won't have trouble understanding you but the other direction won't work and the monologue is useless. 2.you are able to not look confused even when you are and to cover the pieces you don't catch based on the context you understood. If you can't do that, you will seem to be at much lower level than you actually are and you might not get the chance to prove the truth. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 118 17 July 2012 at 12:38am | IP Logged | ||
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| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5014 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 12 of 118 17 July 2012 at 1:13am | IP Logged | ||
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Sure, it is more of a social skill (and self-confidence) but it is part of what makes
people "fluent". Fluency is more about social skills than proficiency or a cefr level, in my opinion. So, a person with high listening and social skills may be much more fluent than someone with actually better speaking skills who lacks one of the other two parts. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Zireael Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 4656 days ago 518 posts - 636 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, Spanish Studies: German, Sign Language, Tok Pisin, Arabic (Yemeni), Old English | Message 13 of 118 24 March 2013 at 5:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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What's the difference between B2- and B2? My Spanish is somewhere between those two and I don't know which one to pick...
EDIT: And I'm seriously considering switching Spanish in my profile to "speaks", as I'm going to take B2 this summer. Edited by Zireael on 24 March 2013 at 5:16pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Emily96 Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4433 days ago 270 posts - 342 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Finnish, Latin | Message 14 of 118 24 March 2013 at 11:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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I said B2. I do not consider this fluent, but i would consider it "speaks".
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| zerrubabbel Senior Member United States Joined 4605 days ago 232 posts - 287 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 15 of 118 25 March 2013 at 12:01am | IP Logged | ||
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I chose B1 as my Japanese skill. I think My speaking is right around there, and I would also choose B1 to describe my
skills in general. I have plenty of opportunity to listen and comprehend things, and I think if I could speak as well as I could understand, I would probably be pushing into a B2 level... but we all know you will never be able to say everything you can hear, and I know especially for me, I have a lot of passive vocabulary that I should activate. A quick note about my reading and writing: I would consider myself fluent in the Kana, and I can read about 300 kanji, probably can only right about 200 without help, and I would expect some to contain mistakes. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fuenf_Katzen Diglot Senior Member United States notjustajd.wordpress Joined 4374 days ago 337 posts - 476 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Polish, Ukrainian, Afrikaans | Message 16 of 118 25 March 2013 at 3:16am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm surprised I'm actually saying this, but I'm going to choose B1. However, I'm not entirely sure how accurate that is, as a common observation I've noticed is people take CEFR tests when they're very safely within a certain range, if not actually above that level. There would be a big difference between a true B1 level learner studying for a B2 exam and someone who is taking B2 because they think that is the most realistic choice (I hope I'm explaining that clearly!)
Still, I would say B1 is the bare minimum because at that point you're out of "survival" mode, and can, at least in theory, understand details and context, and be able to contribute. This is around the point where I really began to feel that I was no longer going from keyword to keyword in a conversation. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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