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| Tsopivo Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4472 days ago 258 posts - 411 votes  Speaks: French*, English Studies: Esperanto | Message 17 of 118 25 March 2013 at 3:47am | IP Logged | ||
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I have voted B1 based on the description of the CEFR, especially the point about being able to take part in a conversation without preparation (though on familiar subjects, day-to-day life or subjects of interest), to understand radio or TV shows when the speech is clear and rather slow and to describe experiences and events, dreams, hopes & ambitions and briefly give reasons and explanations for opinions and plans.
In a real conversation though, I would probably add that I speak it not very well instead of just saying that I speak it period. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Zireael Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 4652 days ago 518 posts - 636 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, Spanish Studies: German, Sign Language, Tok Pisin, Arabic (Yemeni), Old English | Message 18 of 118 25 March 2013 at 10:57am | IP Logged | ||
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Well, I'm comfortable reading Spanish, writing it requires slightly more effort and I have problems with listening comprehension, especially if the person involved has a foreign accent...
But I have problems with listening comprehension in most languages I speak/learn... (Sitting in an English class right now with a teacher whom I can't understand at all. He doesn't really open his mouth, which means he's mumbling a lot) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Keilan Senior Member Canada Joined 5087 days ago 125 posts - 241 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 19 of 118 25 March 2013 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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I find myself very frustrated by people who say "I speak _____", who are then later revealed to know basic introductions and little else. When I'm asked if I speak a language, I consider how I would react if the person I was talking to suddenly switched to that language. If that would be a problem, I say no (or explain). For example, if someone here (in Russia) asks me if I speak Russian, I will usually answer with something like "very badly" so they know they can talk to me, but it won't be easy. If someone back home asks me the same question, I would usually just say no (but oh how I hope I will soon be able to say yes).
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| casamata Senior Member Joined 4263 days ago 237 posts - 377 votes Studies: Portuguese | Message 20 of 118 26 March 2013 at 3:39am | IP Logged | ||
I say C1,but maybe because C1 is a high enough of a level to still speak well if you get nervous or tongue-tied. But I can understand B1 or B2; one can talk about a lot of topics, if not at the depth and sophistication that a C1 or C2 would permit. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 21 of 118 26 March 2013 at 4:08am | IP Logged | ||
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In my experience, when you speak a language at B1 level, people are more than willing
to tell you that you speak it, at least in a general social setting. The specific trigger point might vary from culture to culture, but I always found that people would readily say I spoke the language at B1. When we did our Finnish Accelerated Challenge, the university professor who evaluated us as A2 said we actually spoke the language. It's clear that A2 is very limiting and you need to be in a controlled setting for your use of the language to be worthwhile, but it already means that some discussion is possible. At B1, a person may say that you don't speak the language very well, but I can't see anyone denying that you speak it. I feel like I'm hovering around A2 in Romanian right now and I wouldn't say that I speak it, but when I tumble over to B1, it's going to start to feel like it's appropriate to say I speak it because it will mean that if I find myself in a social setting where it's the only language spoken, I will be fine and I'll know enough to interact socially rather than just fulfill basic needs. Edited by Arekkusu on 28 March 2013 at 2:25pm 10 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 22 of 118 28 March 2013 at 2:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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In my experience, Arekkusu is right. I have experience of speaking B1 French at that very
level, the same with my German. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Majka Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic kofoholici.wordpress Joined 4658 days ago 307 posts - 755 votes Speaks: Czech*, German, English Studies: French Studies: Russian | Message 23 of 118 28 March 2013 at 3:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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I would say it is B1 for me.
The problem with the levels is that they usually mean across the board. But a "normal" situation for me isn't as clearly defined. I may be at B1 level active in "all" the subjects, may be at around B2 or B2+ level in social situations and C1/C2 levels in passive understanding and C1 level in some (sometimes very few selected) subjects. And I may leave the language there, because it is all I need. When tested, I wouldn't test above B-levels and at B2 level only with some luck. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5848 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 24 of 118 29 March 2013 at 8:06am | IP Logged | ||
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I can speak Spanish on Skype because I have had so many talks on Skype for an hour of time and I judge my level of Spanish on B1-B2.
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